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sbd-laytall · 8 months
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Forever going to love how Dick refers to Tim as his brother AND his friend.
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Secret Origins 80-Page Giant (1998) #1
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laufire · 29 days
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march reading meme!
BOOKS
A Study in Scarlet by Arthur Conan Doyle. Letters from Watson sent this from January to March, alongside a couple of other shorts ("The Field Bazaar" and "The Man with the Watches"). An interesting thing about it is that Sherlock was portrayed as somewhat bitter on the issue of credit (he does all the work, subpar investigators take underserved glory), while he's usually, in both ACD's later works and adaptations, portrayed as ~above such feelings. "The Field Bazaar" was interesting in that, in describing why Watson is a good "foil" for Sherlock's smarts in the books, actually illuminates why I think the smart investigator/fumbling idiot dynamic just. Fucking sucks for me lol. I don't get a kick out of it, I much prefer when they pair two investigator of different talents and portray those as both interesting and helpful in their investigations.
Investigating Lois Lane: The Turbulent History of the Daily Planet's Ace Reporter by Tim Hanley. Amazing read. It takes you through the history of the character, often looking at it through the lense of real-life issues and movements, getting into the different eras, adaptations, etc. It's giving me a lot to think about, both within the dc fandom and outside it.
Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri. This one I also read in substack newsletters, going for about a year, the last one being sent in March. It was a reread, and I maintain it's a book everyone should at least try to read. Inferno is by far my favourite part (the theology lessons in Paradise grate on me, in comparison).
Batman: The Ultimate Evil by Andrew Vachss. This book was written by a crime fiction author and attorney that specialices in representing children and in child abuse cases, who was approached by DC to write a book featuring Batman facing child sex trafficking. In the book, Bruce ends up discovering that his mother, Martha Wayne, was a sociologist who was investigating a child molester ring, and that's what caused their deaths. That's what caught my eye first, because really, how many canons give any weight and importance to Martha? If they opt to make the Wayne murders a conspiracy, it's always about Thomas's actions. I also appreciated that, even though the author clearly had to follow some dc-mandated lines (fictional country, individual villain), he practically hits you with a hammer when it comes to dispel a lot of the myths we have about child molesters and how they operate, specifically to challenge those dc-mandated lines. I wish we'd seen more of the social worker character, but I liked her as it was.
Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata. I picked this novella exclusively for vibes and not plot, and it's what it gave me. It's also made me think a lot about how men see women, and how through their eyes our selves are twisted. Komako and Yoko are fascinating characters in part for how inescrutable the male lead finds them and how he might be misunderstanding them. There's so, so much hinted under the surface, about their persons and about their relationship.
The Lady Astronaut of Mars by Mary Robinette Kowal. Short novelette I picked on a whim. A 60+ yo astronaut is offered a chance to travel to space again, her dream come true. She has to choose between taking it, or staying with her ailing husband, who has little time left. The story apparently later expanded on some novels/prequels, I might pick them up.
COMICS
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant. I picked this one up for Steph's story (I'm going through her comic arcs), but ended up reading all the others. It's cemented my desire to pick up the Young Justice comics. These teens are sooooo chaotic and fun lmao, all of them (back then) with such weird and interesting backstories.
Lois Lane (1986). A two-part issue that shows Lois getting in deep in an investigation about child abductions. It's gets gruesome and heavy at times, but it's a great read, specially for her character. It shows Lois at a moment that the mainline comics seem to have ignored (she missed out on a great professional opportunity due to Superman), and it shows how obsessive she gets and how that is what makes her a great investigator and reporter. I also liked the glimpse at the dynamic between her and her sister Lucy there, how dismissive Lois was of Lucy's stewardess' job, for example.
DC First: Batgirl/Joker. I don't like it as much as the early-Batgirl (2000) run but it's kind of on that vein. Barbara tells Cass about her first encounter with the Joker, and Cass is determined to prove herself against him. I loved the art as well (very different than in the cover).
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pokeberry5 · 2 months
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redraw of a redraw of these dumbasses <3
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from secret origins 80-page giant
still under the cut + bonus short hair dick:
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i tried but i couldnt do it:
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like who is this
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gretahayes · 4 months
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Young Justice Secret Origins—80 Page Giant: Little Wing
hey, don’t cry. little brother, okay?
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bobbinalong · 3 months
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At all times I am emotional about Stephanie Brown. All versions of her.
(Young Justice (2019) #10 & Secret Origins 80-Page Giant)
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timdrakequotes · 3 months
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Dick: How’s the arm? Firefly, right?
Tim: Yeah. S’alright. ‘Tis a flesh wound. Alfred gave me a salve Bruce picked up somewhere in Nepal…I think.
Dick: Did your Dad notice?
Tim: Nah. You’d be surprised how easy it is to explain away this kind of stuff after the quake. Par for the course these days.
--Tim Drake with Dick Grayson (Young Justice Secret Origins – 80 Page Giant: Little Wing)
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scintillyyy · 1 year
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anyways, i'm not going to say tim is a paragon of sensitivity or anything, because he's not, but i do think the graysons' death is an area where he does actively try to at least be somewhat delicate and sensitive about discussing it.
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batman #441
like he very much actively does not want to have to tell dick how he knows, and he's very apologetic that bringing it up is hurtful to dick.
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secret origins 80 page giant
like honestly. this is actually a very neutral way of telling the story. very bare bones. "it was the best day of my life. then your parents died." which. is objectively true?? and tim is still very apologetic, especially when he realizes how he might be coming across. like. idk. obviously dick is the center of this tragedy, but it is fundamentally like. a super, super terrible and traumatizing thing for a child of indeterminate age (anywhere from 2-7) to witness a death, not just in general, but at a happy place like a circus. hell. it was fundamentally terrible for the adults at the circus to witness this death, bruce and jack and janet and every single person in that audience included. and while it's a little cringey that tim is narrating the worst day to dick's life to dick, this conversation only even came up because dick brought it up to begin with.
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and at this point dick and tim have known each other for almost a decade in real time and have been explicitly written as brothers for probably about 4 years real time, so dick probably genuinely doesn't mind talking about this with tim. i do like the idea of how this probably progresses for dick over time. like, at first, dick is probably super, super annoyed at this thirteen year old kid who wormed his way into dick's personal tragedy but then as dick gets to know him and love him and that's his little brother now-
like how much it must crush dick (now that he knows and loves tim) that tim had to experience the same horrible thing that happened to dick and that dick's parent's death happening is what ended up bringing the two of them back together again eventually.
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lesbianspeedy · 2 years
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Someone Lied To You About Oliver Queen/Green Arrow
Or, maybe you watched a certain show he starred in. Or maybe you’ve only read his stuff post-n52. Hell, maybe you just assumed, that’s okay too, either way, one thing is for sure, Oliver Queen Isn’t Rich. In fact, he’s usually broke as hell and struggling to pay rent! 
(Massive Thank You to @batphobique and @queen-lance for making this post helping me find/source all these panels! Literally wouldn’t have even half of these without their help)
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Green Lantern (1960) #87
The original version of the character, practically a Batman clone, was rich, yes. Until in Justice League of America (1960) #75, the late and great Dennis O’Neil reworked his entire character, transforming him into a modern day Robin Hood, and, in aid of this transformation, had him lose all his money after a business rival frames him for embezzlement.
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Justice League of America (1960) #75, Action Comics #636, Secret Origins (1986) #38
After that, and the cross-country roadtrip thereafter, Ollie struggled to find work, having a dwindling savings account, and barely scraping enough to make rent. He found occassional work as a columnist, and was for a time working as a public relations agent, though this didn’t end his money problems.
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Green Lantern/Green Arrow #6, Action Comics #431 & #424, Green Lantern (1960) #100
This was all during the golden age for Green Arrow, when he was most active on the League, and during the beginning of his relationship with Black Canary. Odds are, if its before the year 2000 and he’s wearing his Neal Adams suit, he’s flat broke.
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Action Comics #431, JLA 80 Page Giant #1, World’s Finest #210
It’s important to note, too, that Ollie wasn’t trying to get his money back, he was okay with making do, and even when given the opportunity to have some spare cash, he would rather have it go to something he felt was more important.
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Action Comics #424, Green Lantern (1960) #87
To the point that, in a later retcon by O’Neil, instead of losing his money due to a business rival, he instead willingly gave it all away to war relief funds after finding out his company was funding war efforts.
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Legends of the DC Universe #9
Later down the line, in the late 80s, Ollie would move to Seattle with Dinah, eventually working with/for her as an assistant florist and delivery driver. With the business from the flower shop and a coincidental big bag of money Ollie kept in his closet they were able to make ends meet together.
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Green Arrow: The Longbow Hunters #1, Green Arrow (1988) #13, Black Canary (1993) #1
And that’s about the state he stayed in, until his untimely death-cum-resurrection, wherein he’d inheret the stately home, money, and youth centre of an old man who put his name in his will (no spoilers here, go read Quiver). 
He’d continue to use the money to run said centre until the New 52 Reboot, where he’d be reverted to a rich guy, losing and reclaiming and losing and reclaiming his wealth over and over as each writer adapted him to tell their (often unrelated to his character) story.
TLDR: Oliver Queen is not the rich guy you think he is, he’s usually a broke socialist. Please read a comic book before talking about a character...please...just one...
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The Bat Family Timeline and Ages (Post-Crisis and New Earth) with Sources
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Evidence
In Batman: Year One, Bruce is said to be 25 in the January he returns to Gotham. The 1976 DC Calendar puts Bruce's birthday on the 19th of February so Bruce is 26 during his first outing as Batman in April.
Marv Wolfman's Batman: Year Three (Batman vol. 1 #436) tells us that Dick Grayson's parents die in Bruce's third year. In Batman vol. 1 #441 (also by Wolfman) Tim says that Robin started appearing around 6 months after the death of the Flying Graysons. For Dick's age when he becomes Robin, see below.
Bruce joins the Justice League before Dick forms the Teen Titans. Both these teams form before Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl at 16 (Batgirl: Year One).
Barbara and Dick are each other's dates to their high school prom and so are less than 2 years apart in age (Detective Comics vol. 1 #871).
I suspect Dick, who was an emancipated minor, graduated high school and started college a year early, which allows Dick and Barbara to have some time as the new Dynamic Duo, as we see in Batman Family.
Dick Grayson is 18 when he forms the New Teen Titans, all of whom are also teenagers (Nightwing vol. 2 #137 by Wolfman, who also created the New Teen Titans).
Dick Grayson is 19 when he becomes Nightwing (Batman vol. 1 # 416).
21 year-old Helena becomes Huntress (Huntress: Year One #1), and interacts with Batgirl, meaning that Barbara is not yet Oracle.
Jason dies at 15, 4 months before his 16th birthday (Batman Files). This is before the New Teen Titans' third year anniversary (New Titans #71), before any of the Titans turn 22 (Deathstroke vol. 1 Annual 1), 2 years after Dick becomes Nightwing and almost 10 years before Dick's parents are killed (Batman vol. 1 #436). Dick is hence 21 during these events and 11 when he became Robin.
I also kinda like Dick being 17 years younger than Bruce because that's also the age difference between Adam West and Burt Ward from the 60s TV series.
After these events, Tim Drake becomes Robin and is 13-14 (Batman vol. 1 #441 and Robin II #1)
Soon after, Stephanie Brown is 15 when she becomes Spoiler (Secret Origins 80-Page Giant).
Stephanie is still 15 when she realises that she is pregnant (Robin vol. 2 #59) and Tim is almost 15 during this time (Secret Origins 80-Page Giant).
Cassandra Cain is 17 when she comes to Gotham during this time (Batgirl vol. 1 #1), during No Man's Land which lasts one year.
Helena’s family were killed when she was 8 and during Batman/Huntress: Cry For Blood, Tim says the murders happened roughly 15 years ago, making her roughly 23 during this storyline.
Cass turns 18 in January (Batgirl vol. 1 #39), Tim Drake turns 16 (Robin vol. 2 #116), Jason would have turned 18 in August (Detective Comics vol. 1 #790), and Stephanie is 16 when she "dies" (Batman Allies Secret Files & Origin).
Personally I'd re-arrange Tim's 16th birthday to be the last of these events four events to accommodate him still being 17 late into the Batman: Reborn, see below.
Jason soon returns to Gotham as Red Hood, not long before Infinite Crisis, 52 and One Year Later.
Following the one year time skip, Dick says it's been almost 10 years since his misadventures with Metal Eddie and Liu as a 16-17 year old (Nightwing vol. 2 #133 by Wolfman), which makes sense because he would be 25 by my math.
Stephanie returns from her time as a medical volunteer in East Africa, finishes high school and begins university during Batman: Reborn. She'd turn 19 by the end of this year by my math, which is a typical age to be begin attending university (Gotham Underground and Batgirl vol. 3 #1).
Dick calls Damian Wayne a "10 year-old" before Stephanie attends university (Batman and Robin vol. 1 #2) and Steph still calls Damian a "10 year-old" while she's in her second semester (Batgirl vol. 3 #13 and Batgirl vol. 3 #17). He might have turned 11 before the reboot.
Batwoman: Elegy (Detective Comics #858), during the Batman: Reborn year, shows that Kate was 12 when she was kidnapped and saw her mother and sister killed. This incident is also said to happen "20 years ago”, making her 32 and hence 30-31 during her first appearance in 52/One Year Later.
Tim Drake is still 17 while Steph is in her second semester of her first year at university, and it's stated that he is meant to be in his senior year at high school (Batgirl vol. 3 #13, Red Robin #17 and Red Robin #25). It's possible he turns 18 before the reboot.
Mistakes I Made
Cassandra Cain is 21 in Year Eighteen.
The "Titans disbands" in Year Thirteen was definitely a year early but it's done.
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Helena Bertinelli/Huntress Reading List/Completionist Guide
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Helena Bertinelli is the Huntress of Prime Earth. She has existed as a character since 1989, and has appeared in her own series as well as multiple other series throughout the years. Most well known for being a Bird of Prey, she has a long history that tends to be hard to track. Instead of hunting down all of the issues, this guide has every one of her appearances in the attempt to follow her chronologically, but where her movements couldn’t be followed the natural passing of time was used to follow the story. 
This is both a reading list and a completionist guide. This means there will be times when the issue only has a cameo of Helena. For a casual reader this list may be a little much. If that is the case click [here] for a shorter list that can get you started on Helena. 
Moving onto Content Warnings. 
There will be mentions and depictions of Sexual Assault of Adults and Minors, Slavery, PTSD, and Murder. These are some of the big Content Warnings. That being said let’s get started. 
[Start Here]
Huntress (1989) #1, #2 
Justice League America (1987-1996) #26 
Huntress (1989) #3 - #6 
Justice League America (1987-1996) #30, #31
Huntress (1989) #7 - #12
Justice League America (198-1996) #35 
Time Masters (1990) #1 
Huntress (1989) #13 - #19 
Justice League International Special (1990) #1
Justice League America (1987-1996) #42
Justice League International Special (1991) #2
Armageddon (1991) #2 
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #652, #653 
Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #1 - #6 
Justice League Europe (1989-1994) #47 - #50 
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #662
Showcase ‘93 (1993)  #9 , #10
Black Canary (1993) # 9 - #12
Green Arrow (1997-1998) #83 
Showcase ‘94 (1994) #5 
Robin (1993-2009) #6 
Showcase ‘94 (1994) #6 
Huntress (1994) #1 - #4
Robin (1993-2009) #17
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #686
The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #1 
Underworld Unleashed (1995) #2 , #3
Batman (1940-2011) #529
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #49
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #698
The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #4
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #53
Batman (1940-2011) #533
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #701
Robin (1993-2009) #33 , #34
Birds of Prey: Manhunt (1996) #1 - #4
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #703
Green Lantern (1990-2004) #81 
Robin (1993-2009) Annual #6 , #45
Genesis (1997) #1 - #4
Catwoman (1993-2001) #51 , #52 
Spectre (1992-1998) #62
JLA (1996-2006) #16 - #19 
Nightwing and Huntress (1998) #1 - #4 
Batman 80-Page Giant (1998/1999) #1 
Green Lantern (1990-2004) #103
Superman: Doomsday Wars (1998-1999) #1 - #3 
DC One Million (1998) #1 , #2 
JLA (1996-2006) #1,000,000 
DC One Million (1998) #3, #4
JLA Secret Files (1997-2000) #2
JLA (1996-2006) #24 - #26 
Hourman (1999-2001) #1
Nightwing (1996-2009) #26 - #29 
JLA (1996-2006) #27 
JLA/Titans (1998/1999) #1 - #3
Batman 80-Page Gaint (1998/1999) #2
The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #19
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #720
Batman: Huntress/Spoiler - Blunt Trauma (1998) #1 
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #721
 The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #14 
Robin (1993-2009) #65
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Batman: No Man’s Land (1999) #1 
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #83 
Batman (1940-2011) #563 
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #116 
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #84
Batman (1940-2011) #564
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #731
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #117
Batman (1940-2011) #565
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #732
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #86
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #733
JLA (1996-2006) #28 - #31
Martian Manhunter (1998-2001) #6 - #9
JLA (1996-2006) #32
Martian Manhunter (1998-2001) Annual #2
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #119
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #87
Batman (1940-2011) #567
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #120
Nightwing: Secret Files and Origins (1999) #1
Batman (1940-2011) #568
Catwoman (1993-2001) #72
Batman (1940-2011) #570
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #737
Batman: No Man’s Land - Secret Files & Origins (1999) #1
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #93
The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #18
Nightwing (1996-2009) #38 - #39
Batman: No Man’s Land (1999) #0
Batman (1940-2011) #573
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #740
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #126
Batman (1940-2011) #574
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #741
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #94
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #1
Batman: Gotham City Secret Files and Origins (2000) #1
JLA: Foreign Bodies (1999) #1 
JLA (1996-2006) #34 - #41
JLA: Secret Files and Origins (1997-2000) #3
Azrael: Agent of the Bat (1994-2203) #63 - #65 
Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E (1999/2000) #8
The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #15
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #7
Batman/Huntress: Cry For Blood #1 - #6 
Batman: Outlaws (2000) #1 - #3
Nightwing (1996-2009) #52
Wonderwoman (1987-2006) #164 - #167
Justice League: Justice League of Amazons (2001) #1
Justice League: JL? (2001) #1
Superman: The Man of Steel (1991-2003) #109
Batman (1940-2011) #586
Batgirl (2000-2006) #18 
Batman (1940-2011) #591 
JLA (1996-2006) #58
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #763
Joker: Last Laugh (2001) #5 
Robin (1993-2009) #95 
Joker: Last Laugh (2001) #6
JLA: Incarnations (2001-2002) #7
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #773
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #34, #35 
Nightwing (1996-2009) #75
JLA: Welcome to the Working Week (2003) #1
Batman: Family (2002-2003) #2, #4, #8 
Batman (1940-2011) #609
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #37 - #40 
Action Comics (1938-2011) #802
Batman (1940-2011) #617 , #619
Bird of Prey: Secret Files and Origins (2003) #1
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #57 - #61
Robin (1993-2009) #120
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #48
Superman/Batman (2003-2011) #5 
Outsiders (2003-2007) #8 - #10
The Adventures of Superman (1987-2004) #623
Gotham Central (2002-2006) #17 , #18 
Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #50
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #64 - #66
Outsiders (2003-2007) #12
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #67 - #80
Teen Titans (2003-2011) #21
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #81, #82
The OMAC Project (2005) #2
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #83 , #84
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #809
JLA (2005-2008) #117, #119
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #85 - #87
Nightwing (1996-2009) #112
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #86 
JSA: Classified (2005-2008) #3
JLA (2005-2008) #121
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #88 - #91
Infinite Crisis (2005-2006) #5 , #7
Adventures of Superman (1987-2006) #648
Villains United: Infinite Crisis Special (2006) #1
52 (2006-2007) #1 
Robin (1993-2009) #148
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #92 - #99
Nightwing (1996-2009) #127
52 (2006-2007) #34
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #100 - #103
52 (2006-2007) #48 , #52
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #104 - #108
Justice League of America Wedding Special (2007) #1 
Green Arrow / Black Canary Wedding Special (2007) #1 
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #110
Green Arrow and Black Canary (2007-2010) #1
Detective Comics (19337-2011) #837
Gotham Underground (2007/2008) #2 , #7
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #111 - #115
Countdown to Mystery (2007/2008) #6 , #8, #9
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #116
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #117 - #119
Huntress: Year One (2008) #1 - #6
Manhunter (2004-2009) #33 - #36
Trinity (2008-2009) #9, #13 , #14 , #50
Final Crisis: Requiem (2008) #1
Final Crisis (2008/2009) #3
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #120 - #123
DC Universe: Decisions (2008) #3
Secret Six (2008-2011) #1 , #7
Batman and the Outsiders (2007-2011) #13
Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #124 - #127
Batman and the Outsiders (2008/2009) #4 , #5
Batman: Battle for the Cowl (2009) #1 , #2 
Batman: Battle for the Cowl: Network (2009) #1
Batman: Battle for the Cowl (2009) #3
Batman: Streets of Gotham (2000-2011)  #3 - #6 , #9, #13
Blackest Night: Batman (2009) #2
Batman (1940-2011) #693 - #695 , #697 
Azrael (2009-2011) #2
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #859 - #663
Justice Society of America (2007-2011) #38
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #864, #865
Red Robin (2009-2011) #12
Batgirl (2009-2011) #10 , 11
Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #1 - #4
Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne (2010) #3
Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #5 , #6
Superman/Batman (2003-2011) #78
Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #7 - #10
Brightest Day (2010-2011)
Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #11
Batman Incorporated (2011) #6
Secret Six (2008-2011) #36
Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #12 - #15
Batman (1940-2011) #713 
Convergence: The Question (2015) #1, #2
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New - 52 
Batwoman (2011-2015) #2
Secret Origins (2014-2015) #8 
Nightwing (2011-2014)  #30
Grayson (2014-2016) #1 - #5 ,Annual #1 , #6 - #11
Batgirl (2011-2016) Annual #3
Midnighter (2015) #3
Harley Quinn (2014-2016) #20
Grayson (2014-2016) Annual #2 
Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #2 , #3
Titans Hunt (2015-2016) #1 
Grayson (2014-2016) #13 , #14 
Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #5 
Midnighter (2015) #8 
Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #17
Grayson (2014-2016) #16 
Midnighter (2015) #9
Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #18 - #20
Grayson (2014-2016) #17
Midnighter (2015) #10
Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #23 , #24 
Grayson (2014-2016) #18
Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #25
Midnighter (2015) #11
Grayson (2014-2016) #19
Midnighter (2015) #12
Grayson (2014-2016) #20 Annual #3
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Rebirth 
DC Universe: Rebirth (2016) #1 
Nightwing: Rebirth (2016) #1 
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey: Rebirth (2016) #1 
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #1 - #4
Nightwing (2016-) #9 
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #5 - #13 
Nightwing (2016-) #26 - #28 
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #14
Nightwing (2016-) #30 , #31
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #15 - #22
The Hellblazer (2016-2018) #19 - #24 
The Unexpected (2018-2019) #3 , #4 
Green Arrow (2016-2019) #45
Aquaman/Justice League: Drowned Earth (2018) #1 
Detective Comics (2016-) #1000
Batman (2016-) #71 
Action Comics (1938-) #1011
Harley Quinn (2016-2020) #64 
Batgirl (2016-2020) #39 
DC Villains Giant (2019) #1 
Batman (2016-) #81 - #83
Birds of Prey: Sirens of Justice (2020) #1 
Birds of Prey (2020-) #1 
Batgirl (2016-2020) #50
Dark Knights: Death Metal (2020) #5
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Infinite Frontier 
Infinite Frontier #0 
Detective Comics (2016-) #1034 - #1039
The Other History of the Dc universe (2021) #5 
Batman Secret Files; Huntress (2021) #1
Detective Comics (2016-) #1041 , #1042 , #1046
Robins (2021-2022) #4, #5
Detective Comics (2016-) #1047. #1049 - #1058 , #1061
Nightwing (2016-) #95
Batman: Dear Detective #1 
Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths (2022) #5
Batman (2016) #129
Nightwing (2016-) #98
Lazarus Planet: Dark Fate (2023) #1
[Current Present: July 2023]
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Else Worlds and Others 
Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey (2020) #1 - #4
Superman and Batman: World’s Funniest (2000) #1 
JLA: Act of God (2000-2001) #1
Future State: 
Future State: Dark Detective (2021) #1 , #3
Future State: Nightwing (2021) #1 , #2 
DCeased: 
DCeaased (2019) #3, #4
DCeased: Unkillable: #1
DC vs. Vampires: 
DC vs. Vampires (2021-2023) #2 , #10 , #11
DCAU: 
Superman & Batman Magazine (1993-1995) #1 , #4
The Batman & Robin Adventures (1995-1997) #19 
Justice League Unlimited (2004-2008) #20 , #22 , #27 , #31 , #36
Batman: The Adventures Continue Season Two (2021-2022) #3
Injustice: 
Injustice: Year Zero (2020-2021) Chapter #1 , #2 
Injustice: Gods Among Us (2013-2016) #6 , #7 , #9 , #11 , 12
Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year Two (2013-2016) #3 , #6 , #7 - #11 , Annual #1
Injustice: Gods Among us - Year Three (2013-2016) #2 , #6 , #9 - #12
Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year Four (2013-2016) #1 
Flashpoint: 
Flashpoint: Emperor Aquaman (2011) #2 , #3 
Flashpoint: Wonder Woman and the Furies (2011) #2 , #3
Flashpoint: Lois Lane and the Resistance (2011) #2
Convergence (2015) #6 , #7 
Tiny Titans:
Tiny Titans (2008-2012) #45
Bombshells: 
DC Comics: Bombshells (2015-2017) #6 , #10 , #16 , #17 , #18 , #26 
Bombshells: United (2017-2018) #36
Batman: The Brave and The Bold:
Batman: The Brave and The Bold (2009-2010) #11 , #14
All-New Batman: The Brave and The Bold (2011-202) #4
Lil’Gotham: 
Batman: Lil’Gotham (2013-2014) #3 , #5 , #6 , #8 , #10 , #12
Scooby-Doo: 
Scooby-Doo Team-Up (2018) #34
The Batman & Scooby-Doo Mysteries (2021-) #5 , #12
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Other Appearances (Crossovers) 
Batman Versus Predator II (1993/1994) # 1 - #4
JLA/Witchblade (2000-2001) #1
Avengers/JLA (2003/2004) #4
Other Characters to hold the name, Huntress: 
Paula Brooks
Helena Wayne
Carol Danvers (Amalgamverse)
Charlotte Gage-Radcliffe
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To the Helena Bertinelli fans I hope you enjoy! 
@inkareds​ I finished the complete guide if you want to check it out. 
If I made any mistakes or forgot something leave a comment, or send me a message. I tried to include everything, but I could have messed up. I will also try to update this as new Huntress stuff comes out, so the list may grow. 
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welcometogrouchland · 2 months
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I love Steph's origin as told in the Secret Origins 80 page giant- I just overall think it strengthens her character by giving her a lot of pathos and adding to her heroism (which isn't something writers were focused on in her actual intro in detective comics #647 since she was just meant to act as a plot device back then) BUT there is one tiny detail in it i will begrudge, and that is the portrayal of her having a minor love at first sight moment for tim
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Secret origins 80 page giant, ID in alt
(or well, technically this was their second meeting in that story (the brick was the first) so...love at second sight?)
Mostly because Stephanie showed no interest in her introduction and only showed romantic feelings towards Tim AFTER this moment here:
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Robin (1993) #4, ID in alt
Straight up the progression here goes:
The adventure in 'tec where they first meet -> Tim investigating the same crime scene as Steph -> she beats him up not knowing it's him at first, apologizes but says he shouldn't have scared her -> he remembers her/the moniker she goes by -> they talk about plot for a few pages -> Stephanie starts flirting
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Robin (1993) #4, ID in alt
Which...is so fascinating to me and says so much about Stephanie. She highlights the fact that Tim "remembered" her. Like. Steph. Girl. This is our bar? It's sweet but kind of speaks to how much Stephanie is ignored at home/how little and sporadically she's shown interacting with her peers (and rarely ever the same kids twice). Her idea of peak romance is just...being on someone's mind even when you're not there.
Kind of also adds layers to Steph's proclivity towards jealousy later on, a manifestation of her insecurity and loneliness (though don't get it twisted, she's not written this way bc Dixon and co think it's an interesting character flaw, they wrote it bc they think it's an inherent character flaw of (particularly young) women/girls, which is very apparent in how he approaches Ariana's character as well from what I've read)
Also the fact that Steph becomes so smitten for Tim almost immediately after this is (a few issues later she aggressively flirts with him during AN ACTIVE HOSTAGE SITUATION. WHERE SHE'S THE HOSTAGE) again is kind of a mixture of kind of funny and sad. One boy is nice to her once and she's fully ready to wife him. Girl you are deranged (affectionate) (concerned)
#ramblings of a lunatic#dc comics#stephanie brown#tim drake#timsteph#meta#< ??? ig#robin 1993#made this post and forgot to finish. saved it in drafts. saw posts that annoyed me. proceeded to finish it#the subset of fans who think they're doing a righteous feminism by giving steph more flaws than she has in canon...headaches#yes flawed female characters are important representation no i dont think you projecting chuck dixons conservative values onto her-#-is doing her character a great favour. if so you need to commit to the bit and make tim a stone cold nark /j#sorry okay im done vaguing. there's real things going on in the world that matter. the bad take is the mind killer etc etc#anyway the zero to 100 progression of early timsteph is fascinating. on the one hand i know it's mostly a product of its time#both in terms of portrayals of romance (esp teen romance) and partially of women and girls by dixon (not extremely boy obsessed-#-but there's a. dark shadow of the boy crazy trope. a gentle whiff of it in the air. just a little)#but bc this aspect isn't blatantly/egregiously author bias i choose to analyse it#i could also analyse how steph in general is portrayed as liking guys she can't/shouldn't have a little#(her crush on the much older detective in bg2009 and also tim a little bit w/ the secret identity thing)#(but that's a whole other discussion. also that aspect of the romance in bg2009 is. also a little sexistly motivated-#-and also dropped part way through to an extent so like..not exactly ripe for analysis)#ANYWHO i love you Steph <3 you're unwell and yet so adorable and compelling Steph <3
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heroesriseandfall · 1 year
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Dick Grayson & Tim Drake: A Photograph
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A photo of my family and you’re in it.
Comic sources:
Batman #441
Secret Origins #50
Batman #436
Batman #436
Batman #441
Batman #441
Secret Origins #50
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1, “Little Wing”
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1, “Little Wing” [edited]
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1, “Little Wing”
Secret Origins #50
Detective Comics #965
52 #31, “The Origin of Robin”
Batman #441 - Cover by George Pérez
Red Robin #12
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1, “Little Wing”
Batman #440
Image descriptions in alt text are also copied below read more.
1. Two comic panels from Batman #441 showing 13-year old Tim Drake sitting in a chair at Wayne Manor, with Dick Grayson in front of him and Alfred Pennyworth standing beyond that. They all have serious expressions on their faces. Tim says, “Okay, you won’t take me seriously until I tell you everything. Dick, I don’t want this to hurt you. And I’m really afraid it might.” Dick says, “Tim, just tell your story, please.” Tim reaches into his jacket as if to grab something and says, “All right, all right. Well, first, my name’s Tim Drake…and though you won’t remember it, we’ve met before. I’ve even got a photograph to prove it.”
2. Text from Secret Origins (1986) #50 that says: A woman with a small boy in the front of the grandstand waved to him. All three Graysons trotted to her. “This is Tim’s first time at the circus,” she said, patting the boy’s thin shoulder, “and we were wondering if you’d let us take your photo with him.” “Of course,” Mother replied, smiling. “We’d be delighted.”
3. Comic panels from Batman #436 showing John and Mary Grayson in their yellow, green, and red circus costumes as they walk through the circus with a young Dick Grayson between them. John says, “Dick, I’ve got those tickets for the baseball game monday.” Dick grins up at him and says, “You really got ‘em? Wow! I can’t believe I’m actually going to the World Series.” Someone off-panel says, “Umm, excuse us for interrupting, but—” The Drakes walk right up to the Graysons. Janet is in a pink day dress and Jack is in a suit, holding a very young Tim Drake in his arms. Janet says, “This is Tim’s first time at a circus, and we were wondering if you’d let us take your photo with him?” Mary Grayson puts her hands on Dick’s shoulders as Dick grins up at little Tim, who smiles down at him in response. Mary says, “Of course…we’d be delighted.” They all pose for a picture with the crowds behind them. Jack and Janet stand between John and Mary, while Dick kneels in the front holding young Tim up on his knee. He looks down at Tim, who looks back, and with a smile, Dick says, “Tim, say cheese.”
4. A comic panel from Batman #436 showing Alfred Pennyworth’s hands holding out and gesturing towards a photo as he says, “Gentlemen, and ladies—the very last photo of the Grayson family together. One last moment of happiness.” The photo shows the Grayson and Drake families together in the same poses as the previous image. John and Mary Grayson stand on either side of Jack and Janet Drake, while Dick kneels on one knee with his other knee up, where he is holding young Tim to sit on the knee. The parents are looking forewards, but Dick and Tim are looking at each other. The Graysons are all in their circus costumes, but the Drakes are in suits and Janet a dress.
5. A comic page from Batman #441. The first panel shows Tim Drake, who is sitting in a chair at Wayne Manor and holding up a photo of the Drakes with the Flying Graysons while Dick Grayson is standing in front of Tim’s chair. Tim says, “This was taken on my first trip to the circus—on the day I saw Batman for the first time...On the day your parents were killed.” Dick Grayson looks shocked, and takes the photo as he says, “Oh, my god—my parents.” Alfred Pennyworth, standing behind Dick, says, “I—I know this photograph, that’s you?” Tim looks up at them and says, “Uh-huh. After Bruce Wayne made you his ward, my parents sent it to you. They thought you’d want it. I was only a kid, but I don’t think I’ll ever forget what happened. I had nightmares about it for years. First about your parents, then about Batman. I kept seeing this dark black thing that swooped out of the sky. No, no—let me start at the beginning.” The scene changes to a gold-toned memory of the Drakes walking through Haly’s Circus. Janet is in a light dress, holding Jack’s arm as they grin at each other. Jack is in a suit, holding a young Tim who is also in a suit and has a big smile on his face as he reaches towards a passing Clown. Janet says, “I think you were right, honey—he loves it. Look at him laughing at everything.” Jack replies, “Hey, I said he wasn’t too young.” Janet says, “Okay, I was wrong. But sometimes circuses can frighten kids.” The Drakes walk through the circus, toward where you can see the Flying Graysons walking together. Janet continues, “They’re loud and rowdy, and I remember when I was Timothy’s age I was scared by people wearing costumes. Sue me. I'm a mother. I worry.” Jack says, “You were a girl. Tim’s a boy. That’s the difference.” Janet smiles up at Jack and says, “Sexism, dear? And here I thought you were liberated.” Jack follows Tim’s eyesight toward the smiling Flying Graysons as they walk past, then says, “Okay, okay, I’m sorry. Look, if you’re so worried, there’re a couple of the performers. Let’s take him over there. He’ll see they’re people just like him.”
6. A comic page from Batman #441 showing a gold-toned memory scene with the Flying Graysons, all in acrobatics costumes remniscent of the Robin suit, and the Drakes, who are wearing formal dress. Mary and John are smiling at Dick walking between them as Dick excitedly says, “—I’m actually going to the world series?” Beyond him, Janet and Jack Drake are walking up to them, with Jack holding a very young smiling Tim in his arms. Jack says, “Umm, excuse us for interrupting, but this is Tim’s first time at the circus…and we were wondering if you’d let us take your photo with him?” The two families pose, with Dick on one knee with Tim Drake sitting on his other knee, held up by Dick’s arms. Tim stares at Dick in wonder as Dick smiles at him and says, “Tim, say cheese.” 13-year-old Tim speaks through a narration box to say, “Maybe I knew you were just a kid like me, but I kept staring at you, and your circus costume. It was bright red and green and you seemed so happy in it.” In the memory, Dick pats Tim’s head as he gets ready to leave, and says, “Watch me on the trapeze, Tim. I’m going to do my act—‘specially for you. Be good now.” Then the scene returns to the present, in regular color, showing 13-year-old Tim sitting in Wayne Manor while Alfred and Dick look at him. Tim says, “I don’t remember the clowns or the animals, or anything else. I just remember waiting for you to go on. And then, when you did, I just sat there and watched.”
7. Text from Secret Origins #50 that says: The photo was snapped and the Graysons returned to the darkness of the backstage area and did the stretching exercises Johnny Grayson insisted precede every performance. On the other side of the canvas wall, the crowd was laughing and applauding the clowns’ fireman routine. They heard the ringmaster’s round baritone, amplified and distorted by the loud speakers, booming through the tent. “Ladies and gentlemen, children of all ages—for your entertainment and amusement, doing their death-defying act without benefit of a net—” Johnny kissed his wife and ruffled his son’s hair.
8. A comic panel from Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1, the fourth story, showing Tim Drake and Dick Grayson sitting on a couch in Dick Grayson’s apartment. Tim is on the left wearing a pink and purple Gotham Knights jersey with a matching hat. He’s pointing at Dick, who’s turned to listen attentively to Tim while wearing a white tank top and gray sweats as he clicks a TV remote. Tim says, “Dick, meeting you—and him—have been the single most defining moments of my life.” The scene changes to the memory of the Drakes and the Flying Graysons posing together in Haly’s Circus while someone who is just a silhouette takes a photo of them. John and Mary are standing on either side of Jack and Janet with wide smiles, each in their red, yellow, and green acrobatics outfits. John’s and Dick’s outfits look particularly remniscent of the Robin outfit. Dick is kneeled in front of the parents with one knee up where young Tim is sitting on his thigh, smiling and looking at Dick. 14-year-old Tim narrates this memory by saying, “Some days I wish I could go back to feeling like that. You promised me that you’d do a quadruple somersault. And you delivered. It was the best day of my life. And then your parents died.”
9. An edited comic panel from Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1 of very young Tim Drake with his father’s arm on his shoulder, both looking up at John and Mary Grayson falling. John and Mary are in their red, yellow, and green acrobatics costumes, knees bent and arms stretched with one part of hands barely touching. Behind them, their acrobatic lines are snapping. Crowds in the large tent are yelling and pointing up at them. Tim’s face is not visible but he’s clearly watching them fall.
10. A comic panel from Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1 of nine-year-old Tim Drake staring at a TV screen, on which Robin is visible mid-flip, arms holding his legs tucked in. The Penguin is croached with his back turned to Robin, directly in position for Robin to land on him. Audio from the TV is saying, “Wanted for theft of the Lapis Lazuli Horus Crown, the so-called Penguin was apprehended by the Batman and a young costumed vigilante…” 13-year-old Tim narrates the memory of his younger self, saying: “You gave yourself away with the quad. The ringmaster told the crowd at Haly’s that only three people alive could pull off a jump like that—you and a pair of Russian gymnasts that defected from the Bolshoi to Ringing Brothers. I knew it was you.” Off-panel, Dick Grayson responds to Tim’s recollection by saying, ”Incredible. A nine-year-old kid figures out the best-kept secret on the planet.” In the memory, just beyond young Tim in the background are Jack and Janet Drake at a table, with Jack looking like he’s speaking angrily.
11. Text from Secret Origins #50 that says: Below, the ringmaster was saying, “Ladies and gentlemen, quiet, please, as young Dick Grayson attempts the in-credible…im-possible…quadruple flip of doom!” Dick breathed deeply and slowly, relaxing himself as Johnny had taught him, grabbed the bar, pushed off the platform, letting momentum carry him— But was something wrong? The trapeze didn’t feel right. —and allowed his mind to empty, and there were the few dizzy, exhilarating instants: spin spin spin spin. Feet thudding onto the platform. Roar of applause. Mother’s warm fingers touching his cheek. Ringmaster’s boom: “Let’s hear it, ladies and gentlemen—dauntless Dick Grayson, the boy wonder of the circus!”
12. A comic page from Detective Comics #965 showing a warm-toned scene of 13-year-old Tim Drake talking to a gobsmacked Dick Grayson in Wayne Manor. Tim says, “C’mon, Dick—that flip you did as Robin. It was a quadruple somersault. The circus ringmaster said only three people could do that.” Tim holds up a photo of the Drakes with the Flying Graysons, and continues, “I knew that somersault. Knew it like I knew my own name.” Tim smiles and says, “And it all made sense. Batman showed up at the circus and took you with him. About six months later, Robin made his first appearance. If you were Robin, and you were Bruce Wayne’s ward—I realized Bruce Wayne was batman.” The scene zooms out to show Tim sitting in a chair as Dick and Alfred Pennyworth stare at him. Tim says, “I don’t want to say the rest was easy, because you guys really covered your tracks. But if you go in knowing Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson are Batman and Robin, well, you can find the clues to prove it.”
13. Comic panels from 52 #31, 2nd story, “The Origin of Robin.” 9-year-old Tim Drake is shown from the back, sitting on the floor staring at a TV screen that shows Dick Grayson as Robin, flipping through the air. Tim’s face is reflected in the TV screen, showing his awestruck smile. Various objects are scattered on the floor in front of Tim, including pizza, books, and a magnifying glass. Orange narration boxes say, “The eyes of a fan caught a moment the rest of the world had overlooked. Tim Drake—and Tim Drake alone—had grown up fascinated by the career of an obscure and forgotten child acrobat named Dick Grayson—but when Tim saw Batman’s partner Robin perform Grayson’s signature gymnastic moves, something clicked in Tim’s mind.” The next panel shows Tim in a trenchcoat, expression awestruck as he shines a flashlight through a glass case in which a pristine Robin costume is hanging. The narration boxes continue, “Over the next few years, Tim—through a series of clues and lucky breaks—proved conclusively that Grayson was Robin…or, rather, had been.”
14. George Pérez’s cover art for Batman #441, cropped to focus on the lower half. Dick Grayson, in civilian clothing, is standing in the forefront of the image, with the 80’s Batcave looming around him. He’s looking down with a pensive expression at the Robin costume held in his hands. Behind to the right, Tim Drake (also in civilian clothing) is standing with photographs falling out of his hands in front of Dick’s shoes. The closest photo shows the Flying Graysons posing with the Drake family. The next closest two photos are of Robin and Batman. Beyond Dick and the photos, to the left, is Alfred Pennyworth. Up at the top, partially cropped away, are Batman and Two Face’s lower faces, with a scene of a bridge by Batman’s face and a flipping coin with a scene of Gemini casinio behind it right next to Two Face’s face. In the Batcave, the giant penny, the T-rex, and the massive batcomputer are all on prominent display.
15. Comic panels from Red Robin #12 of Dick Grayson talking to Tim Drake with a blurry aquamarine Batcave behind them. Dick is wearing the chestplate of the Batman suit but no cowl, as he looks intensely (with the slightest smile) toward Tim, who is shirtless, revealing long pink scratches and scars along his shoulder and cheek. Tim, looking up at Dick, says, “Ra’s—” Dick says, “Gone. We swept the place and got nothing. You want to tell me what that was all about?” Tim replies, “It’s...a little complicated. But I think we’re good for a while.” Dick says, “How’d you know? How did you know I’d be there to save you?” Tim smiles up at Dick as he says, “You’re my brother, Dick. You’ll always be there for me.”
16. A comic panel from Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1 showing Tim drake and Dick Grayson sitting on the couch in Dick’s apartment. Dick is reaching over to mess with Tim’s hair as Tim laughs and leans away, raising his hands to jokingly defend against Dick. Behind them in the apartment is a desk with a computer whose screen is lit up with a woman’s sketchy face. Dick says, “Got a friend visiting.” Barbara Gordon, over Dick’s computer audio, asks, “Anyone I know?” Dick says, “Little brother.”
17. Cropped art from Batman #440 of a cool-toned photograph with the Flying Graysons and the Drake family posing together. The Flying Graysons are all in their acrobatics outfits. John and Dick Grayson’s outfits are styled similarly, looking like a mix of the original Robin suit and Tim Drake’s first Robin suit. John and Mary are stood to either side of the smiling Jack and Janet Drake. Jack is in a suit and his hands are resting on Janet’s arms. Janet is wearing a day dress. In front of all the parents, Dick Grayson is down on one knee, with his left knee up so little Tim Drake can be perched on his thigh. Tim is in a a suit, similar to his father, and he’s looking up at Dick with a broad, awestruck smile. Dick is holding Tim in place with his arms, and instead of looking toward the camera like the parents are, he’s meeting Tim’s eyes with a smile. Behind them all, the crowds of Haly’s Circus are vaguely visible. In the corner by Dick’s right left, 13-year-old Tim Drake’s thumb is resting on the photograph, as if he’s holding it.
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ectonurites · 1 year
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why did cissie retire? would you want her to become a hero again?
Cissie retired because after seeing something very traumatic (her high school guidance counselor being shot and killed) her strong emotional reaction led to her attempting to kill the person responsible. She didn’t trust herself to be a hero anymore after nearly crossing that line, if Kon hadn’t intervened and caught the arrow then she would have taken the guy’s life.
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(Young Justice Vol. 1 #16)
That’s the primary reason but two additional factors are the weight of the responsibility—when she pulls out some moves in a public setting she sees some children who seem to want to imitate her, which she finds concerning.
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(Young Justice Vol. 1 #16)
And her motivations for being Arrowette in the first place. Initially she was just doing what her mother told her to—Bonnie King being basically a superhero stage mom living vicariously through her daughter:
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(Secret Origins 80-Page Giant)
And then when child services had intervened and separated Cissie from her mom for child endangerment… after talking to her guidance counselor (yes the same one who was later shot) she decided to throw herself into being Arrowette on her own specifically to spite her mom:
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Her guidance counselor’s death and her reaction to it were reality checks about how life isn’t a… a game, actions have consequences, playing Superhero to get back at her mom isn’t a responsible choice.
So it’s sort of all those factors together which lead to her decision:
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(Young Justice Vol. 1 #17)
Now, I love this story arc and think it’s very well done and that’s why Cissie being back in hero work is such a complicated subject for me. While the main YJ book had been running she got to live her life as a civilian that still had ties to the team/hung out with them all the time, and really that’s the ideal. But when there isn’t an ongoing YJ book, that’s just not a feasible status quo if you want her to show up.
Cassie’s Wonder Girl mini introduced the idea that after Cissie got some distance from hero work/after YJ as a team had dissolved, that she was willing to come out of retirement on occasion to help out her friends in need:
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(Wonder Girl Vol. 1 #3)
and that’s more or less what also happened during YJ 2019:
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(Young Justice Vol. 3 #14)
And even DC: YJ despite my gripes with Cissie’s portrayal especially in the first few issues feels relatively consistent with that:
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(Dark Crisis: Young Justice #5)
Her being in this ‘mostly retired but because the DC Universe is an insane place, there are occasions where she’ll break out her bow and arrow to help the people she loves’ is what I consider my realistic ideal for the character. Because hoping for a 100% civilian Cissie basically means she’d almost never show up again.
And, considering she’s on the main cover in Arrowette garb for the upcoming Green Arrow mini:
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(Cover for Green Arrow Vol. 7 #1)
It definitely looks like she’ll be hero-ing again, and honestly I’m just so happy that we’re maybe finally gonna get a connection between her and the Arrowfam that i’m willing to roll with it—opinions on her retirement be damned
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bitimdrake · 2 years
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Young Justice reading order 👀
Yeah! This one's pretty simple. If you just read straight down the bolded comics, you're good.
Optionally, you can start with the first meetings between the future members. I've only read some of these, but it's:
Robin Plus Impulse #1
WF3: World's Finest Three (Superboy/Robin) #1-2
Superboy and the Ravers #7 - Kon and Bart
Impulse #28, #41 - Bart and Cissie
And then we get into the actual Young Justice content:
Young Justice: The Secret #1 (1998)
JLA: World Without Grown-Ups #1-2 (1998)
Young Justice vol 1 (1999) #1-2
optional DC One Million tie-in: Young Justice #1,000,000
Young Justice #3-4
Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1 (1998)
Young Justice: Secret Files and Origins #1 (1999)
Young Justice #5-7
Young Justice 80-Page Giant (1999)
Young Justice #8-10
Young Justice Special #1 - tie-in to No Man's Land
Young Justice #11
Heck's Angels crossover: Young Justice #12 / Supergirl vol 4 #36 / Young Justice #13 / Supergirl #37
Young Justice #14 - tie-in to Day of Judgement
Young Justice #15-19
Young Justice had its own event, Sins of Youth, with a bunch of oneshots for various characters. Honestly just pick the ones for characters you're invested in:
Young Justice: Sins of Youth #1
Superboy vol 4 #74
Young Justice: Sins of Youth Secret Files and Origins
Sins of Youth: JLA, Jr. #1
Sins of Youth: Aquaboy and Lagoon Man #1
Sins of Youth: Batboy and Robin #1
Sins of Youth: Kid Flash and Impulse #1
Sins of Youth: Starwoman and the JSA, Jr. #1
Sins of Youth: Superman, Jr. and Superboy, Sr. #1
Sins of Youth: Wonder Girls #1
Sins of Youth: Secret and Deadboy #1
Young Justice: Sins of Youth #2
And then we finish up the series (with a couple extra notes to keep you up to date on the solos):
Young Justice #20-34
Our Worlds at War tie-ins: Young Justice: Our Worlds at War #1 / optional Superboy #89-90 / Young Justice #35-36 / Impulse #77 / optional Superboy #91 / Young Justice #37
Young Justice #38 - tie-in to Joker: Last Laugh
Young Justice #39-44
World Without Young Justice: Impulse #85 / Robin #101 / Superboy #99 / Young Justice #45
optional Impulse #86
Young Justice #46-55
The team ended with Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day #1-3. At that point, half the members faded into the background and the other half moves over to Teen Titans vol 3, found over in my Titans reading order.
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