#Jason is pissed that Bruce didn't kill Joker

[arrowmaker15]

(All 5 of the original Robins meeting thanks to the Flash family fucking with the timeless/multiverse again)

Jason (As Robin 2): Wait a fuckin' minute, I *die*!?

Tim (As Robin 3): Yes, that is correct.

Dick (As Robin 1): I'm still stuck on the fact that not only do I get fired, but four more Robins come after me. And that this eleven-year-old stalked both me and you for years!

Tim (R3): I'm 13, almost 14.

Steph (As Robin 4): I'm only around for a few months? Why?

Damian (As Robin 5): You initiated a protocol that Batman was meant to be around for without telling him. You then caused a gang war, Black Mask discovered your identity, he kidnapped you, tortured you, then assumedly killed you. Dr. Thompkins in actuality faked your death and after a while you returned. Then you started dating Drake.

Tim (R3): Is that part really important to mention?

Jason (R2): Yes, now, how the hell do I die, Replacement?

Tim (R3): Joker beats you with a crowbar then blows you up in a warehouse in Ethiopia.

Jason (R2): And... And B doesn't kill him?

Damian (R5): No. But Grayson does.

Dick (R1): I what now!?

Steph (R4): Don't worry, the B-Man brings him back to life shortly after.

Jason (R2): He does fuckin' WHAT!!??

#incorrect quotes #dc comics #jason todd #incorrect dc quotes #stephanie brown #batfam incorrect quotes #tim drake #dick grayson #damian wayne #robin #robins 1 2 3 4 and 5 #all in one room #they got bored #so dumped information on each other from their respective time periods #none of them except Tim are coping well #that's mainly because Damian hasn't mentioned what happened to Tim's parents yet #Jason is pissed that Bruce didn't kill Joker #more so that he brought him back after Dick killed him #the fucking #flashfam #are fucking up the multiverse again

[puppetmaster13u]

so tempted to do a thing for @phoenixcatch7's possessed doll au Because I am just stuck with this image of B's puppet body being damaged, his gas mask off, and him going straight up Feral. Am I saying I want to draw him mauling the joker? Maybe. Maybe I do. He'd deserve it.

#batman au #dc #dcu #batman #possessed doll au #cryptid batman #Like he'd have to be very pissed so its probably around when Barbara & Jason were injured or whatever happened in thi au #Like I want to say someone straight up tried to blow him up but he's just Not Stopping #I want people to realize he's not stopping and just going to keep coming #I want for like #like they all know the bats aren't human #but I want for it to *really* suddenly sink in #I want the joker to realize he Fucked Up #which i mean in the original comics he knew he fucked up & the next day or two he got diplomatic immunity #because he killed jason as a spur of the moment sort of thing- and afterwards had an Oh Shit moment #Because he just beat Robin and the bat is going to come after him #he canonically blew up the warehouse so the bat wouldn't know it was Him #Bruce Didn't know it was the joker at first #remind me to ramble about this because I want to like #write or draw a scene based off of it

[qcomicsy]

a list of funniest things jason todd could do:

slowly steal the parts of the batmobile and reassemble it elsewhere, then pull up next to bruce in his own second secret batmobile

become a lawyer and get joker setenced to the death penalty - bonus is that he completes college and gets a degree which bruce never did and alfred is proud beyond the gravethat one of his grandkids actually completed college

change bruces name to "free trires" in his phone contacts

call time the wrong name everyday, but it starts of sounding like a genuine mistake (tom, jim ect) and slowly gets further and further away from the original (jimothy, jeremy, dave, the dogs name)

dye his hair red, claim he was an original red head and then gaslight the family into believing bruce made him dye his hair black to look more like dick and be a replacement

come out as gay and claim to be the only gay member of the batfamily and when tim tries to say something to dispute it he just hits him with "who are you again? the computer guy or smthing?"

could also come out as poly and roll up to family dinners with more than one partner and if someone says something about it, he just says "mad cuz i got TWO more partners than you huh. lonesome bitch."

feel free to add on

LMAAAAOO THIS IS GREAT

Let's go.

Made a carbon copy of Batman and spread in strategic places on the Batcave, Tim's boat, Clock Tower, Duke's nest and Dick's house. (He almost killed them)

(One of Dick's colleagues saw it and he had to lie he was this die hard Batfanboy, his ego never recovered until today.)

Stole Tim's mug and placed on Damian's room, stole Damian's mug and placed on Tim's boat then proceeded to visit the Manor until he hard the scream of the fight he planted between them;

When he saw Bernard for the first time he said "Whoa Timmy you move on fast, this one is Terry right?";

Did a Tramp Stamp tattoo;

Slut shames Dick every chance he gets (this one is actually cannon);

Shot Dick's phone;

Every Christmas shows up with a different Outlaws member and affirms that's his partner

Dated an arrow to piss of his dad, when Bruce got over it proceeded to date a lantern instead;

Never told no one other than Dick he's actually in a stable relationship with Artemis because he refuses to swap Bruce's horrified reaction to a normal one;

Gave Bernard the shovel talk;

When he bumped with Selina after the (failed) marriage and she teased him on how he didn't gave her shit for it he just answered "No, no I get it"

Purposely brings Harley to bat reunions under the bullshit "She's my therapist" when the bats bother him, knowing his therapy with Harley only count when they're at her office;

Told every one he's Harley's adopted kid (actually Harley was the one to say that once when she was drunk and he just went along with it);

Exchanged Bernard's number to Kon's in Tim's cell phone and vice-versa;

Left his Mustache grow and showed up as Matches Malone in one of Wayne's Gala;

Lied he was actually a Titan but they kicked him out because Dick's is an asshole;

Stoled Signal's Patrol Lunch;

Stole's Spoiler's lunch;

Brought alcohol to manage going through their family gathering when he was caught he blamed on Tim;

(He thought about blaming on Dick but he knew Dick would just go along with it)

Everytime Dick, Barbara and Bruce call him he answers with "He's dead";

Introduced Tim to the Outlaws with "That's Robin they found him on the thrash"

Showed up to Barbara's job dropped a "Hi mom" as a greeting then proceeded to laugh his ass off while Barbara tried o explain to her coworkers that that tank of a man wasn't her child;

Told Dick Talia adopted him;

Told Talia Dick adopted him;

Told Damian that if Batman dies he's going to adopt him out of spite;

#jason todd #q asks #I loved this one #the gay and the poly one was so fucking funny

[xxgoblin-dumplingxx]

Reverse-verse.

Content warning at the end for suicidal ideation. Nothing graphic.

Jason leaned against the wall where Babs was typing training notes and jerked his head to where you were talking to Bruce. Evidence notes in hand. "So the Emo doesn't have to train why?"

"Physiology," she answered, not looking up. "When they messed with the structures in her brain they messed with well... everything." "Which translates to no cardio how?" he scoffed, wiping sweat off his forehead.

"If she trained like the rest of you she'd have to eat like a Speedster and take enough vitamins to fuck her organs," she said. "If that's not clear enough- They made her pretty powerful sure but also pretty fragile."

"So much for a super soldier-"

"She's slightly stronger and slightly faster than a normal person but only in short bursts. And she lives in constant hell. So. You know. I don't begrudge her not having to run." She gave him a meaningful look, eyes narrowing.

"It can't be that bad."

Barbara shrugged, "If you're man enough, have her show you. If you're not- or she won't- Ask Bruce how he found her. Then see if you say that." And before he could sulk anymore, she stowed her laptop in it's compartment and left. He had every right to be pissed. At Bruce. At the Joker. At every injustice in the world. But- you hadn't had anything to do with it and she was tired of hearing about it.

_________________

"Jason," Bruce said glancing up, "you can't have-"

"It's not about guns," he snorted. "I'm not carrying the stupid crowbar. A tire Iron is more fun. I wanna know about Y/N."

"Why?" Bruce asked, eyes narrowing.

"Well, she's one of my replacements so-"

"No one replaced you, first of all. And second of all-"

"Where'd you find her?" he asked, cutting to the chase. He hadn't asked you. It felt weird. Mostly because you would barely look at him. And you only ever spoke to him when you needed to in order to be polite.

Bruce sat back in his chair with a sigh and scrubbed his hand through his hair. "If you use this to-"

"I just wanna know!" he protested. "Everyone treats her like a pet!"

"We," Bruce started after a long moment, "found her in the bottom of a cage. Almost dead. Mostly naked and filthy. Treated worse than an animal. If she hadn't whimpered, Dick would have thought she was dead." Bruce paused for a second; swallowing down the sick feeling he'd thought was the gore and the scent of blood in the air.

"Scientists were looking for kids like her. Kids with heightened abilities they could exploit," he explained. "She was the last survivor, somehow."

Jason wasn't looking at him. If not for how still he was, and how tense, Bruce would have thought he wasn't listening. But now, his sense of injustice was rankled. And he was listening. "Long story short," he continued, not wanting to dwell on it, "they wanted a soldier. They tried to desensitize her to violence and well. It didn't go like they planned."

"How?" he asked, looking up slowly.

"They forced her to kill people," Bruce said wincing.

"But when you found her-"

"She was trying to kill herself," Bruce said sadly. "She lost control and made a building of scientists and guards- about 20 people kill themselves."

#jason todd #jason todd x reader #ask answered #minors dni #reader insert #science experiment!reverse

[e-nonsense]

𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐩𝐭. 𝟐

⇢ ʙᴀᴛꜰᴀᴍ x ʙᴀᴛꜱɪꜱ!ʀᴇᴀᴅᴇʀ

⇢ ᴡᴀʀɴɪɴɢꜱ » ʟᴀɴɢᴜᴀɢᴇ, ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ, ᴍᴜʀᴅᴇʀ, ɢᴜɴ ᴠɪᴏʟᴇɴᴄᴇ, ᴋʜᴏᴀ ᴋʜᴀɴ

⇢ ʀᴇᴀᴅᴇʀ ɪꜱ ʙʀᴜᴄᴇ ᴡᴀʏɴᴇ'ꜱ ᴜɴᴏꜰꜰɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴅᴀᴜɢʜᴛᴇʀ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀ ᴍᴇʀᴄᴇɴᴀʀʏ, ꜱʜᴇ ᴅᴏᴇꜱɴ'ᴛ ꜱᴘᴇɴᴅ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ᴛɪᴍᴇ ɪɴ ɢᴏᴛʜᴀᴍ. ᴜɴᴛɪʟ ꜱʜᴇ ɢᴇᴛꜱ ᴘᴀɪᴅ ᴛᴏ ᴋɪʟʟ ᴛʜᴇ ᴊᴏᴋᴇʀ

ᴘʀᴇᴠɪᴏᴜꜱ ᴘᴀʀᴛ

When you woke up you were in the Batcave. You were in big trouble, big big trouble. Why? Well...

The Joker was dead,

you family knows that you're The Knight,

and lastly you lied to Alfred

You could still walk, you only passed from exhaustion killing the Joker had been easier than you thought it would be, but getting away from the scene of the crime was very hard.

You slipped into Arkham thanks to Harley Quinn who pretended to be a guard and let you in through a secret tunnel, if she had stayed getting out would've been a lot easier but you couldn't risk her getting caught so you told her to leave, lying that you had an exit strategy.

You had made it out of Arkham successfully but when you were out all the Gotham Knights where there - it made you feel special if you weren't gonna lie - waiting for you, even Red Hood who looked like he didn't want to be there.

You took them down one by one - having known all there strengths and weaknesses, and weak spots - till eventually you were left with one.

And there he stood Batman, The Dark Knight something that contrasted your name the White Knight, you knew that you could take him down with some time but that was time you didn't have so you got in a fighting stance and when Bruce lunged you ran.

From roof to roof and Batman eventually accompanied by his birds and idiot sidekicks followed and when instead of jumping you dropped, they were all a little confused until they saw a speeding away. Damian was impressed. In the end they still got you and here you all where, every single pair of eyes on you.

"Sooo?" you smiled awkwardly "how's everyone feeling?"

"confused" came Duke's voice, everyone glared at him minus you who smiled at him gratefully.

"Mercenary?" Jason, he didn't sound pissed probably 'cause you just killed the Joker "What were there no other occupations available?"

"Why didn't you tell me?" Bruce asked and everyone was quiet once again. You sighed "If I told you what would you have said?"

"I-"

"No, Bruce you wouldn't have supported me. Not the way you do everyone else" you took a breath to control yourself "and that's understandable, y'know but you wouldn't have accepted me either, and don't lie about how you would."

"She has a point father"

"Damian-"

"Don't get angry at him"

"Don't tell me how to raise my son!"

"Your son! What about your daughter?!"

And that's when the argument flared, you were trying to avoid this but somethings just need to happen to resolve issues.

Everyone slowly started to back away from the heated argument, everyone but Damian and Jason who stood by your side the entire time.

"Where'd you even learn to fight like this?!"

Bruce looked at you expecting an answer, but you were far to ashamed to admit who had taught you to fight.

"Khoa" you mumbled in hopes that nobody would hear you over the water in the background, but they did. You knew this would happen one day, Bruce would finally tell you to piss off and never show your face unless he needed you to.

Bruce wasn't sure what to say. He didn't think Ghost-Maker of all people would take you in and train you, his old friend now rival. Why?

"Knight"

Everyone's heads snapped towards the entry of the batcave, and there he stood in all his idiotic glory, Khoa Khan. You didn't even know he was in Gotham.

"Ghost" you nodded at him

"You good?" a question that shocked Bruce and Dick

"Yup, just finishing off here" you ruffled Damian's hair with a promise to eventually come visit when things cooled down and squeezed Jason's hand in reassurance that you'd be safe.

You looked at Khoa "I'll be up" and he turned to leave

You walked up to Bruce and everyone else went on to do their own things in the cave pretending like they weren't listening.

"Bruce-"

"Stay safe, I'll uh reach out once I've had time to cool off and think about this" Bruce spoke softly.

You nodded hanging onto his words, "Don't do anything stupid, and please stay safe"

Bruce watched as you walked away from him, he wished he could stop you from following his once friend. You had still left him with so many unanswered questions, a part of him just wished he'd been a more present father than maybe this wouldn't be happening.

But he let you walk away, he knew you'd be safe that's all that mattered to him right now.

"Love you dad" and he smiled.

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© ᴜɴᴏꜰꜰɪᴄɪᴀʟ-ᴊᴀʏᴛᴏᴅᴅ-ᴡɪꜰᴇ. ᴅᴏ ɴᴏᴛ ᴄᴏᴘʏ/ꜱᴛᴇᴀʟ/ᴛʀᴀɴꜱʟᴀᴛᴇ

#batsis #batman x #reader #batdad x reader #bruce wayne x daughter!reader #dick grayson x reader #bruce wayne x reader #jason todd x reader #platonic #batfam x reader #dc x reader #mecenary!reader #khoa khan x reader #ghostmaker x reader

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

Gonna be honest

Arkhamverse Joker is probably the most evil Joker ever

TW for a lot of fucked up shit

I'm sure I missed a few so if I did please let me know

He blew up multiple school buses and schools filled with kindergarteners and then sewed them back together and made their parents try to figure out who is their kids

He manipulated a father and his terminally ill 5 year old daughter made her an experiment for the Titan formula which killed her and then convinced her dad to kill himself with laughing gas pills

Tortured Jason Todd for over a year in Arkham Asylum, convinced him that Bruce abandoned him, permanently branded him, fucked up his posture by having him strapped to a wheel chair with barbed wire, had him beaten by other Batman villains, had other inmates dress up like Batman and had them beat him hell it's implied that Jason was even sexually assaulted by these inmates and remember this happened when Jason was a teenager then he proceeded to continue to lie to and manipulate Jason after the events of Arkham Asylum

Donated hydrochloric holy water to the Gotham church which resulted in the painful deaths of multiple babies

Tortured Jason and crippled Barbara to get them out of the way of him and Batman's rivalry as he thought they were ruining his game

Threatened to donate his poisoned blood to every hospital in Gotham if Bruce didn't find a cure and even poisoned Bruce with his blood only to make things worse which affected Bruce even worse in the long run

Poisoned four other innocent people with his blood

Drove his secretary mad when he was disguised as Black Mask

Kidnapped and tortured Black Mask

Killed The Executioner for questioning orders

Tried to kill Bane twice first by shooting him as he was leaving and second when he forced Bruce to kill Bane or he was gonna electrocute himself and Gordon to death

Murdered his own goons just to piss off Bruce

Blew up an entire building full of people the second time him and Bruce met

Threatened to blow up things Bane cared about if Bane didn't do as he said

Manipulated and abused Harley

Killed Talia

Caused a massive riot at Arkham Asylum torturing many GCPD police officers and Arkham guards and keeping them hostage

Kidnapped Starro and used him to mind control helpless citizens in his amusement park

#arkhamverse #arkham knight #arkham asylum #arkham origins #arkham city #the joker #harley quinn #batman #bruce wayne #talia al ghul #talia al-ghul #harleen quinzel #harleen quinn #harley quinzel #jason todd #red hood #barbara gordon #batgirl #starro #starro the conqueror #black mask #roman sionis #commissioner gordon #jim gordon #james gordon #dc #dcu #detective comics #dc comics #arkham series

[starlightshadowsworld]

"Bruce didn't mean to hurt Jason's neck, it was an accident."

Motherfucker threw a batarang which is basically a knife boomerang.

Threw it at the wall directly behind Jason at his shoulder neck.

... The fuck did he think it was going to do? Get stuck into a wall? Than why would he throw it?

It was going to bounce off and cut through Jason's neck.

The Joker, the fucker Joker congratulations him for his trick shot.

He knew what he was doing.

And it's fucked.

Which is probably why the Under the Red Hood movie changed it to Bruce throwing the knife into Jason's gun.

So it hurt his hand and not his neck.

This is why he's pissed at you man, you didn't just choose the Joker.

You decided your son deserves death more than his murderer does.

No wonder Jason has issues.

And incase anyone thinks thats just a one time note... Nope.

Bruce's said to Jason, multiple times he should've stayed dead.

Hell in the current run, Batman 137 Bruce says to Jason, while attacking him and all of his children.

"If you think one death is fine if it stops more death. Then shouldn't I kill you?!"

It's one thing to say this is completely out of character for him to do.

Because it is and I very much agree with you there.

This is the same Bruce who was on a war path to kill the Joker but because at the time he had immunity.

From being the UN govenor of Iran... I... Don't ask.

The UN had to send Superman to talk Bruce down lest a war broke out.

And even than Bruce crashed the hellicopter the Joker was on hoping it would kill him.

That Bruce would never have done that to Jason, especially knowing how lethal if could have been.

This is the Bruce who when KGBeast shot Dick Grayson in the head.

And we got... Ric...

Bruce tracked down KGBeast, beat him the fuck out of him.

Broke his neck just enough to paralyse him.

And left him in the middle of nowhere.

In the snow.

And when KGBeast is like hey if you help me.. I'll tell you who hired me to kill your boy.

Bruce says "I've got a bullet in my arm and a body of hurt. There's a 3000 click walk ahead of me. Through nothing but snow and ice."

Dramatically spits blood on the white snow.

"I'm the World's Greatest Detective. I'll find out who hired you and I will break them too. You can get your own damn help."

Also not the first time Bruce has tried to "not kill" KGBeast.

But that's beside the point.

He did that for Dick who while turned into the worst thing imaginable, was alive.

And you're telling me he wouldn't do the same for Jason?

Bullshit.

Man I miss when the thing was don't fuck with Batman's kids cos he'll fuck you up.

Instead of oh dear god Bruce stop hurting your damn kids.

If your version of Batman doesn't love his kids. Wouldn't do anything and everything for them.

Than he's not Batman.

#Tw ric grayson #bruce wayne #Batman #DC #jason todd #red hood #kgbeast #under the red hood #Batman 137 #the joker #dick grayson #nightwing #tw injury #Tw neck injuries

[gretahayes]

how do you think jason and dick's relationship would change if jason found out about dick killing the joker, then bruce reviving him? like yeah okay bruce would lose his second son for good, probably, but how would the brOTHERS be affected

Sorry it took me so long to get to this, I've been thinking about it.

I fully believe that it depends on Jason, how long it's been since he came back. For the sake of this scenario, let's say this is Jason around two years after he came back. Not fully reconciled, but definitely not estranged either, working on relationships. Slowly building back bridges.

And how he found out, let's say it's Tim. Tim, ever so slightly bitter at Bruce, referencing it in conversation over comms when they're on a mission together, just the two of them. He wasn't sure Jason didn't know, Tim'll defend later. It's not his fault this family sucks at communication.

Anyway. Robin slips it into conversation as a quip, a gamble—"hey, we don't want you to pull a Nightwing, do we,"—and Hood arches an eyebrow.

"A 'Nightwing?"

Robin looks at him oddly, "yeah? Killing a villain with your bare hands to avenge a family member?"

Hood goes still.

Robin tilts his head, prompts, "the Joker. You know Wing killed the Joker for you, right?"

And Jason’s world shatters. He hears Robin- Pretender, Tim, in the background, panicking, saying it's fine, it's okay, B brought him back-

"What?" Jason croaks.

Robin stops. Considers. "Ask them about it after patrol," he says, and shuts his mouth.

He keeps it zipped for the rest of the patrol, and Hood isn't able to get even a peep out of him, so he comes back to the Cave and asks.

He asks, and Dick looks uncomfortable, Bruce closing himself off, but he gets a yes out of them.

Of course, he's pissed at Bruce, but. Dick killed the Joker for him. Dick killed someone—a monster, but someone nonetheless—for him. Jason is worth making to feel safe, is worth killing for. And, he doesn't forget it.

Jason, afterward, is more cooperative with Dick. Tim gives him the nastiest side-eye imaginable whenever he takes Dick up on any of the offers for food or a movie or simply hanging out at Dick's place, but grudgingly and quickly makes himself scarce. Dick tries calling to him, to no avail. It's incredibly passive-aggressive, the silent rebellion of a teenager that has to share his older brother's attention, but it makes Jason smile a bit. All is not forgiven, Tim makes pointedly clear, and Jason is fine with that.

Jason works with Nightwing more often, and is around more for Dick Grayson. Dick, on his end, is glad for it. He's got to wrangle with his own feelings that come up whenever Jason comes up, of inadequacy and regret and grief and anger, but it's a small price to pay for his little brother back. Though he'd rather he didn't lose his baby brother in the process, Tim will get over himself. The little brat always does.

Dick and Jason aren't brothers again, not by a long shot. But bloodshed ended their brotherhood, so it's only fitting it begins it again.

#asks #anon #dick & jason #sorry this took so long 🙏 i procrastinate a lot

[oifaaa]

so ive just read UTRH and ok. i dont know if jason can ever be comfortable around his family to like, not be an asshole to them? like yes he wasnt an asshole to the batfam in the webcomic Redhood and the Outlaws but the webcomic also nerfed him really hard (they take away his batman funding so jason flies economy rather than just steal money? ok jan).

idk. im having a lot of conflicting feelings about jason. mostly "maybe if you stop being an asshole to your family they'll stop being assholes to you" but also "you should stop trying to seek validation from your family and go back to using real bullets"

See I really don't like any rhato media including the webcomic I just feel like it all really misunderstands Jasons anger and changes his character too much - in utrh Jasons anger is 100% just being angry at Bruce he says he's pissed bc Bruce didn't avenge him after he died especially bc it was joker who killed him the most unredeemable person in existence - then they do something really interesting in countdown where its explored more if Bruce killing the joker would actually make Jason happy and the answer is firmly no which furthers the question why did Jason want Bruce to the kill the joker even though he knows Bruce never would and the answer is simply bc he knew Bruce wouldn't he wanted Bruce to fail bc he needed a reason to be angry at Bruce he needed his anger to be justified bc he never took the time to really examine why he felt the way he did - which leads me to the point I want to make Jason will never be able to play happy families with this other bat's until he does a fuck ton of soul searching to really figure out why he was so angry post resurrection and if there is any possible future where he could co exist with the bat's or if its better that he stays away

#Ask #Anon #Jasons character really was going somewhere before n52 #I even like his pure villain arc #Bc I can twist it as #Even after Bruce died Jason was still angrywl #And instead of putting effort into figuring out why that is #He lashes out at dick and damian #Also did I use this ask to just discuss Jasons character again bc I'm actually feral about him #Mmmm ye

[bonerot19]

okay so I sent the Jason and Steph post and I 100% agree with you on your take. The reason why I was asking was because I was thinking about red hood Steph. And I 100% think Steph would’ve shot the Joker dead the second (figuratively I guess as soon as she could) she’d learned he was still alive. Like to me that’s the difference in their characters. In the same position they have the same kind of anger but the way they move with it differs. Jason’s a schemer because he has certain beliefs on the way the world works (because he has hopes of the way it should work) while Steph isn’t because she doesn’t believe in much other than herself.

hey!

I think you're right, honestly. bc canon Steph wanted to kill Black Mask for what he did to her, and was held back by not wanting to piss of Bruce. so I think, in a scenario where she's Red Hood, she'd be more in it for the revenge.

like, Jason wanted "revenge" but I think he more so wanted Bruce to prove he mattered. that he didn't die for nothing. that Bruce loved him.

I think a Steph that goes through all of those same circumstances comes out of it just as angry, but I agree with you that she would probably just. kill the Joker. bc she knows she can rely on herself and only herself.

(lowkey feel like Red Hood Steph wouldn't forgive Bruce for not saving her? like Jason's thing is that he forgives Bruce for that, but I don't think Steph would. I have no real reason for that thought other than Vibes)

#ask #I-just-want-to-see #stephanie brown

[appleswan]

I think that what a lot of comic book writers don't understand about the conflict between Bruce and Jason is what it's primarily about, because while yes the whole killing people thing plays a part it's not nearly as large of a part as people assume it to be. If it was about the act of killing both Damian and Tim would have been facing the same kind of damnation as Jason does. But they don't.

What Jason and Bruce's conflict boils down to is the conflation of the past with the present. Both parties are guilty of this, remembering what was and equating it to what is or what should be. For Bruce (and Dick) it's conflating Jason as Robin with Jason as Red Hood and seeing a child that he let walk down the wrong path. He see's what was (a great morally good hero) with what is (a morally grey Anti-hero) and thinks that Jason should be more like what Robin was which is impossible now due to many different situations and influences that have shaped Jason as an adult and as a hero. Meanwhile for Jason it's conflating the Bruce of the past with the Batman of the present, remembering who Bruce was as a mentor and father and seeking that in a Batman who has already mourned and grieved for a dead son and partner. There's more to that, including the hurt and betrayal of realizing that his death wasn't avenged, but I digress.

They are both so drastically different from when they worked together that they're near strangers. Their antiquated sense of who the other should be has driven a wedge between them that widens through near every interaction as they don't understand who the other person is as a person anymore. They've both been shaped by drastically different influences and circumstances that now there's not much that they can agree upon. That sense of past conflating with present is also why you see Dick fighting a lot more with Jason too, because he knew Jason as Robin.

There's a reason that Jason seems to get along more with people like Steph, Duke, and Cass, people who didn't know him as Robin. It's because they don't have this idealistic childlike version of him to hold onto a pedestal. They never grieved him so they don't hold onto those memories because there were none.

Personally I also think that a lot of the conflict at least on Jason's end comes from a poor sense of identity. He doesn't exactly know who he is or who he wants to be as a hero because he never really got a chance to discover that for himself unlike both Dick and Tim. When we see him start to pull away from Batman and begin that path of self-discovery he's blown up, and when he comes back to life there's people telling him what to do and urging him in certain directions. And while he has some time with the Outcasts I still think he's operating mostly under the influence of the League of Assassins and in the Prince of Gotham arc he's operating under a sense of obligation to Gotham (which I love don't get me wrong).

Furthermore a lot of critical years of brain development were stolen from him where he was either training, comatose, or catatonic. I don't think it's irrational to assume that he's going through those vital years of development just at a later date.

It's why I like the end of Task Force Z so much, we see him going on his own to discover who he is as a person outside of all these other influences and people trying to dictate who he's supposed to be. He's going on that journey of Self-Discovery that is needed so much

I also think that a lot of their problems could have been solved if Bruce had told Jason that the only thing that kept him from killing Joker after he died was diplomatic immunity and Superman. "It would have been too easy" my ass! You wanted too, Bruce, and you were going too.

Just my two cents idk I have a lot of thoughts about this and it kinda pisses me off how there always seems to be a fight between Jason and Batman + Batfamily in every Red Hood run. And it doesn't make sense because they're good and then they're not good and then they're fighting again. I just want some consistency (Please for the love of god don't get me started on how much I wish writers would drop the fucking crowbar thing). I just think that their conflict is a lot more nuanced (on both sides) than Jason does morally reprehensible things sometimes. I could be very wrong about this too, I'm just thinking tm

#jason todd #batman #red hood #batfam #batfamily #bruce wayne #dc red hood #character analysis #I think too hard about this sometimes #dc comics #dc batman #dc batfam #analysis

[astorianyxkings]

So recently on tiktok I saw that one scene from the Titans show where Rachel accuses Jason of drawing crucifixes on her mirror and the others essentially start adding on to it when HE DIDN'T DO IT BY THE WAY and I was reminded of why I have a love hate relationship with the show.

And one part of that is Kory and Rachel's characters. The show really took two badass besties, made them have a mother/daughter relationship and then have them be absolute assholes to any and everyone they didn't vibe with. When in the comics or other shows they're calm and collected and nice and bubbly.

And yeah Kory's beautiful and to this day I'd die for Anna Diop, but wow I hated her character when she interacted with Jason. She was always so patient with Gar and Rachel but never Jason. Did you really decide to stop being a mentor after two kids? And no one else was there. Hank was the being the bitch he is, Dawn was just there and Donna was just like "why Jason?😕" and Dick was well a dick.

I mean I get it, not a fan of his replacement, got the issues with Bruce, figuring out his relationship with the team yada yada yada. But you mean to tell me Jason had no one's support on that team?? (Aside from Gar theire little bestie moments were so cute). And when strange things happen when Rose shows up why are we looking at Jason? Why aren't we using critical thinking and looking at the new person? The daughter of Deathstroke?? Did we loose all ability to use common sense?

But the one that actually made me stop watching for a couple weeks was when Kory was talking about Jason's death and was like "this is an example of what not to do" knowing goddamn well if anyone said such a thing about Rachel she'd go ballistic. And nobody said anything? Like hey, let's maybe not indirectly call the dead KID incompetent right after his death, I know you're new to earth but its called decency.

And then to AUDACITY for all of them to act surprised when he comes back as Red Hood and wants to kill them? Hell I would've gone to Bruce, grabbed his contingency plans and put them to use because ain't no way I'm the bad guy after you assholes assholed a little too close to the sun.

Like the show really ran with "we made him the villain but its still his fault". Part of the reason Jason's death was a tragedy was because he was HAPPY, and I think the show forgot that.

Like I would've killed to see Rachel, Gar and Jason as a little trio doing shit together, perfect opportunity to be besties. And then see them mourning him when he dies and Dick would have to convince them not to go after the Joker, yeah I'd love to see that. Not this.

In conclusion, Titans Jason deserved better, I hope Kory slips down the stairs, I'm praying Rachel has a migraine and I'm still pissed they didn't even apologize when they found out it wasn't Jason messing with them. AND THEY DID IN FACT FIND OUT.

#dc titans #titans tv #jason tood #koriand'r #rachel roth #I'm still really pissed about this #Like he deserved so much better

[coolgirl32]

How would nightmare aka Jacqulyn aka batmom get angry at her family

Bruce

It all started when Bruce was being patched up by dick he was attacked by the zombie things that were working for the court of owls Bruce was waiting for Damian to come home so he could give Damian a Stern lecture and to ground him that's when Damian appeared in his room thinking no one was there when Bruce turned on the lights he asked Damian where he was Damian told his father he was just out Bruce then saw the sai Damian was hiding

That's when Bruce and Damian started arguing Bruce said some things Damian said some things. After Bruce said that if Damian ever tries to sneak out and do patrol on his own again he'll be sent to a School in Switzerland and before Bruce could say anything else his wife Jacqulyn appeared with a angry expression on her face. And that's when he heard her say it his full name Bruce Thomas Wayne he had never ever heard her say his full name like that in a long time the first time was when she got mad at him for yelling at Jason back then he hoped she never did it again because it freaked him out but he was surprised and all he could see was rage and anger but also hurt and pain of course his wife made him apologize to Damian and she made Damian apologize to Bruce she even gave them a lecture on that they are family in that family sticks together and that Damian needs to go outside once in awhile and that she understands that there are dangerous people out there looking for Bruce and for the rest of the Wayne family she also told him that it wasn't a good idea to threaten his own kids if he wants to be a good father he has to take this a gentler approach be tough but be fair

Dick

It all started after dick and Damien first met dick was being patched up by Alfred dick was very upset at Bruce because Bruce well actually Jacqulyn gave all those lectures about using protection and using birth control dick felt a little pain Alfred being concerned asked dick if he was okay dick answered Alfred by saying he could take the cut Damian said something insulting to dick before Dick could say anything he heard the three words he never wanted to hear from his own adopted mother his full name Richard John Grayson his eyes widen when he heard them from his own adopted mother and looked at her he could tell she was not happy that he was about to say something to Damian Jacqulyn then gave dick a lecture about being a better big brother and that Damian is his little brother now and that he needs to act like an adult and not like a child and need to think about how he would feel if somebody said all those things to him dick thought about it and understood that he wouldn't feel good about it so he apologized to Damian. Damian wanted to say something but he had a little respect for Jacqulyn

Jason

It all started after Jason resurrected from the dead and learn that Bruce didn't kill the joker and grieve Jason's death so after a few weeks of planning and becoming the Red Hood Jason was finally face to face with his adopted father and adopted mother of course his father being upset but when he looked at his adopted mother he knew something wasn't right there was anger and sadness and you could tell that she's been grieving and crying but that's when he heard it those three words Jason Peter Todd his full name Jacqulyn had never said his full name before only when she gets angry but that was rare but this felt different he felt guilty so when Jacqulyn gave Jason a lecture on that he cannot kill innocent people and he cannot just throw a little hissy fit because he's not getting his way and he cannot play God because it's wrong and she raised him better than that Jason understood and knew better than to piss his adopted mother off so he gave her a hug and apologize to her and Bruce so after they went back to the manor Jason started going to therapy and started to think about things that he's done that was wrong

Tim

It all started when Tim was having his sleep paralysis and him drinking too much coffee of course everybody tried getting him to sleep so when is adopted mother walked in his room and tried to get him to go to sleep he snapped and yelled at her which to be honest was a very stupid idea 1. Yelling at his mom is a wrong thing and 2. He forgot that his own adopted mother was from Mississippi so when he heard his full name being called by his own adopted mother he knew he fucked up he had never heard her call him by his full name which was Timothy Jackson Drake and when he looked at her he could tell there was anger in her eyes and the look of what did you say he knew he had to fix things up so when he went to his bed and went to sleep he knew he had to apologize the next morning and he did and he told his adopted mother and everybody else that he will change

Damian

It all started after Damian's 15th birthday Damian was a teenager now and as all teenagers they all have attitude apparently Damian was in one of his bad moods everything was not going as planned this morning he stumped his toe and then he bumped into Tim where Tim accidentally spilled his coffee on Damian but the last straw was when his adopted mom Jacqulyn walked in and try to say hi to him with a smile on her face apparently Damian accidentally yelled at her and that's when he heard it his full name Damian Thomas Wayne he had never heard her say his full name not ever since he was 8 years old he immediately apologized to her Jacqulyn then gave Damian a lecture that if he's having a bad day he needs to breathe and go somewhere by himself so he can calm down he immediately apologized again and then he apologized to everyone else he knew not to yell at his adopted mother ever again that day

And that is how nightmare would get angry at her family I hope you all love this also please don't judge

#dcamu x my oc jacqulyn aka nightmare #bruce wayne x reader

[animealways]

what is justice?

Stark!reader being a asshole to bruce wayne/mention of jason todd (i did this purely because i wanted to point out the major flaw of batman as a superhero. I know i'm gonna piss off a bunch of people but this shit gets defended way more then it should be)

bruce wayne, the ceo of waynes enterprises and who is also now known as batman. is walking into the avengers tower, that is now used as a avengers museum. that was something no one would ever could have predicted but then again ever since your dad became iron man nothing ever seems to be peacefull anymore.

he arranged a meeting with you, only you. as bruce walks into the assigned room he found you sitting at the end of the table, staring out of the window rather bored.

''what is the meaning of this, stark?'' he said as soon as the door was closed. ''isn't it obvious?'' you retorted rather annoyed that your family biggest competition is now trying to argue with you. ''what do you mean? 'isn't it obvious?' are you seriously willing to risk the lifes of innocent civillians to gain a better reputation or more money from revealing me as batman?'' the older man crossed his arms glaring at you.

''the fact you think that i did this as y/n stark a greedy capitalist and not iron shadow, earth first line of defence who just want to look at out for the everyday people really shows me how little self awareness you have about your own flaws and crimes.'' you stood up from your chair glaring at bruce. ''what on earth are you talk-''

''i am talking about the millions of people that put their hard earned money into to your company and you just lying to them where is actually goes to, instead using it to dress up as a animal and beating up the metally ill as some sort of furry on steroids!''

''i am protecting gothem, you out of everyone should understand that.'' he put his hand on the table almost it slamming onto the table. ''you can do that without commiting crimes. hell, you're basicly are a thief!'' you threw up your hand in the air infrustated at the fact you have to explain this to a far more experienced busniness man. ''you should own up to your mistakes and take some responsibility cause stealing money of millions is probably the least fucked up thing you have done as batman.''

he walk around the table coming closer to you but with a reasonable distant between the 2 of you. ''and what supposed ''crimes'' are we talking about?''

''oh i don't know hmmm~'' you put your chin in you hand dramaticly putting on a 'thinking face' ''maybe jason todd almost dying and then letting the joker run free.'' bruce eyes widen at the name. he grabbed you by your blouse. ''how do you know about that?'' he growled at you and shoved his hand away. ''how do you think i got so much proof of you crimes?''

bruce stood there not moving. ''... he... he didn't...'' you crossed your arms and sat on the table. ''yeah he helped me... after i killed the joker.'' ''what?'' bruce looked stunned at the information. he knew joker had died but no one knew to who. there was no proof to suggest it was you, after all he was found stabbed and hunged to the ceiling by a rope not too far away from a politie station. no dna, no video footage, no fingerprints, no handprints, no footprints, no nothing and the way he was killed suggested it was a gothem criminal with a personal vendetta against the joker. that not even metioning that you don't live anywhere near gothem.

"Why would you do all this?"

"Because the night after the gala i ran into jason. It was like watching my dad recover from his ptsd... only jason was broken beyond repair."

...

"I recognise his voice and fighting style but i knew their was something off. He wasn't standing straight as if his back got permanently fucked up. So i did some digging and found out everything. All i can say it that its disgusting..."

Bruce sighed and put his hand thru his hair. "Look if you're gonna tell me i should have killed joker then i have nothing to say to you anymore."

"Well i sure have something i want to know. How the hell can you live with yourself knowing a deranged murder is on the loose, a murder that broke your son by torturing him for over a year!"

You yelled not caring about who could potentailly hear you.

"Because if i killed him i wouldn't be serving justice. I would be serving revenge... when my parents died i vowed to never take a life."

You could feel the vines in your head about to explode of anger.

"Seriously... that your fucking excuse? Fucking justice? Tell me bruce what fucking justice to who exactly are you giving by letting a murder do crimes against innocent people?" The older man turned around but you were not gonna let him go without giving him a reality check. You pulled him by the collar forcing him to look at you.

"Jason was right about you. You're just a child trying to do good but don't want to face your past trauma leading to innocent people getting hurt."

"Don't act like you know me."

"I don't but by letting joker live you indirectly killed who knows how many innocent people and that all i need to know."

"Killing a murder doesn't change the numbers of murders in the world." Bruce pushed your hand away while glaring at you.

"But you might prevend another innocent person death. Isn't that the entire point of being a superhero? Putting yourself thru hell and forgetting about your own for other peoples sake. That is gonna include your own personal philosophies batty or did you forget that being a hero means results are the only thing what matters in the end? Cause if we fail people die."

He walked away clearly done with this conversation. "And don't worry about jason. I've made sure he is getting what he needs."

He stopped in his tracks and turned around. "What do you mean?"

"I mean that he is finally getting therapy he oh so desperately needed and once he goes thru the exames he will become a shield agent cause i personal recommanded him to the big boss. He will be working in a place where he isn’t forced to be bait by wearing bright ass clown colours and will have acceses to mental support. Hell if he wants to he could become avenger knowing how skilled he is."

"Are you implying i wanted him death?" He glared at you.

"No i'm saying you sucked at protecting him and you should stay away from him atleast until you realize how much fucked up shit you just let happen." Bruce glared at you before storming out of the room. Definitely for the best cause at any moment both of you were ready to throw hand at each other.

You sighed and sat down back into the chair.

"Oh bruce... you could have so much more..."

#marvel #dc universe #batman #jason todd #iron dad #x reader #superbat #superheores #dc x mcu #dc x marvel #marvel mcu #mcu fic #avengers #marvel cinematic universe #the shield

[redjaybathood]

Honestly idle rambling on my part but the "Jason finds out Dick killed Joker" thing made me imagine like.

Stephanie and Red Hood had an understanding.

If they had some kind of common enemy, they'd be fine with collaborating, share info and the like. Jason would ensure to not make her an accessory to anything, and she'd not involve herself with cases against him.

The other didn't like it, even Cass tended to be a bit grumpy with her but barring Bruce rambling about manipulation and morality and unreliability nothing much came of it. He'd worked with Bane over a faux familial connection after all, and all of them had nominal enemies they could share a drink with, Catwoman not withstanding.

Thus, how Steph had found herself fighting King Shark to destroy some weapons shipments with Red Hood. And more to the point, how she found herself after the fact having a bobba tea with him as they wrapped up the traffickers files.

She couldn't say exactly what brought it out, something to do with gangs and wars and death led to her death and...

"It doesn't bother you? That thy let him walk? Not even a memorial in the cave." Bruce would say this was manipulation, Stephanie would say Jason picked morbid conversation topics with people he vibed with and not realize it was weird.

Stephanie threw back a cola stolen from the traffickers minifridge and answered. "I mean the last one pisses me off sure, but the others... Well I'm kinda pissy at the second one, we're vigilantes, nothing was stopping B from putting Mask in hospital once he got his shit together but that might have started another war so..." She waved her hand. "As to the first one, I made the call not to kill him, kinda regret it some days, but it was an honest decision at the time."

Jason hums, not seeming sure what to say or maybe realizing this was a weird topic to broach. "Fair enough I suppose, still always struck me as 'rude' though, not that its a surprise."

Stephanie arched her brow and without thinking said, "Hey you know Nightwing killed Joker over you right?"

Jason spat out his drink.

"wHaT!?"

"Oh shit you didn't know?"

Jason was staring at her intently, through two laters of material sure but it was still a stare.

"I was like fifteen, Joker was on some semi suicidial chaos spree and he'd caught then Robin. Nightwing beat him senseless but stopped himself till the Joker threw out your name and was all, 'I hit him harder than that, that was his name right?'" Stephanie at least had the good manners not to throw out people's real names in public.

She leaned back, arms folding, "At which point Nightwing lost his motherfucking mind. Pounced on him and just started beating him while howling like a beast, I have never seen such blood spatters outside of like, car crashes and Meta."

She shrugged, "Anyway Joker's heart gave out somehow and Nightwing sort of started having a breakdown about it. I didn't get it I was like, 'hey everyone who was alive before this is alive now and Joker's dead, cool right' But apparently I was the only one."

Jason nodded slowly, "Batman brought him back then?"

"Got it one one outlaw, some shit about not forcing him to live with it, which sounds weird to me but technically Robin the previous has killed a guy but cos he didn't actually die it didn't count I guess? I mean legally speaking sure but I figured this was always an ethics issue."

Jason shook his head not really paying attention to the forms anymore.

"You OK man?"

He shrugged, "I mean it doesn't mean anything now, Joker's still around, still killing people, but it was a nice sentiment. I definitely wouldn't have been making cracks about him if I'd known that."

"Fair enough, anyway if we're cool I'm gonna go hand these off to some worthwhile reporters."

"Sure, I got my own stuff to do, deniability for you an all that though."

"Yeah, yeah, have a good one man," She clapped him on the shoulder and he seemed steady so she left.

A week later Joker died in an Arkham break out attempt.

Also Dick got a very nice fruit basket several days before that.

Stephanie was the only one who knew the connection, but she kept her peace.

Things that I love: Stephanie and Jason partnering up, Joker dying, and this. Thank you for sharing!

#jason todd #stephanie brown #fic recs #asks

[kadencrafter78]

Details on my Sparrow AU/Villain Tim Drake AU

Because Tim never became Robin, Bruce didn't care as much about the kidnapping of Jack and Janet Drake. Because of this, they both died then.

Tim is absolutely pissed about this. Especially considering that Bruce knew how it felt to be an orphan, and, in Tim's mind, Bruce then condemned Tim to the same fate.

Tim and Stephanie still used to date. They might still be dating when the fic starts.

All of the other batfam members are still members of the batfam. Stephanie actually became the third Robin.

In this AU, Bruce realized he was getting worse when he ended up assaulting a new vigilante, who turned out to be Stephanie Brown.

Don't ask how she became Robin after that; I'm not sure.

Tim actually went on his own training arc like Bruce for a few years, working for the League of Assassins.

He made sure to come back to Gotham every once in a while though.

Since Tim never became a hero, Young Justice never formed. I don't know enough about the other members of Young Justice to know what their arcs would have been like without Young Justice to really incorporate that much.

Bruce killed the Joker during the time that the second Robin miniseries takes place.

Tim Drake is pretty.

Jason Todd is ugly.

A lot of Sparrow's criminal activity is meant to draw out Batman, so he'll typically go after things that don't have much value to him but are worth a lot of money.

Tim does still know everyone's secret identities.

Talia died somehow. I'm not sure how, but I want to include that later.

#Tim Drake #Sparrow AU #Villain Tim Drake #DC #Batfam #Batman