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horsechestnut · 22 days

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Batfamily Chronological Reading List

Here it is, a massive list of Batfamily comics all sorted by issue release date so you can read them in the order they were originally intended to be read in, or easily reference back to what happened when. Do you want to know what Dick was up to during A Death in the Family? Need to know if Cass was around yet when Steph had her baby for your fan fic? Just a completion-ist with too much time on your hands like me? Then this is the list for you!

About six months ago I was trying to read my way through some old comics and getting insanely frustrated trying to figure out the order they went in. There are lots of reading lists online, but none of them gave me what I truly wanted: the order of individual issues rather than comic runs or collections. I also couldn't find any that featured all of the Batkids. So I took all of the reading lists I was using, found the On-Sale-Date for each of the issues mentioned, found a few other lists to fill in some gaps, and complied them into chronological order.

This list features what I consider to be the main 8 Batfamily members: Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Damian Wayne, and Duke Thomas. It is by no means every appearance of these characters, but it is hopefully all of the important ones and then some. By no means do I suggest reading all of these (unless you're slightly insane like me), it's more of a reference guide than a read list.

Some Disclaimers:

This is still a work in progress. You'll notice that the first third of the list is much more detailed than the more recent entries. That's because I haven't read them yet. As of now I've only reached Batgirl 2000 #15, but will continue updating as I go through (I'm hoping to finish sometime within the next 12 months).

This is not a Batman list. I have included some issues about Bruce that I feel are important to the overall story, but if I were to include all of his important issues it would make the list unusable. You should still be able to follow his character arcs through his role in the comics listed here.

I needed to cut off somewhere, so anything released after December 31, 2023 was not included. I may go back and change this later, but not any time soon.

I do not want to discredit any of the Batfamily members not included here (ie Kate, Helena, Jean Paul). They are all important to Bruce and Gotham in their own way, but again I needed to cut it off somewhere or I never would have found an end.

For any edits you wish to suggest, please do so through this form. Any suggestions given not through this form will not be considered, and as it says in the form, I also will not consider any that don't have an explanation.

Finally I need to say thank you and give credit to the people who's reading lists I used to create this:

cazzam - New and Improved Cassandra Cain Reading Guide Comic Book Herald - I used both their Complete Robin and Complete Batgirl Read Order Lists. The Comic Book Treasury - I used both their Robin Reading Order and their Duke Thomas Reading Order Comic Book Wire - The Signal Reading Order Daily Jason Todd - Jason Todd's Reading List Stephanie Brown Wiki Chronology Page

The Unoffical Guide to the DC Universe was also an incredible help with sorting out timelines, and all of my On-Sale-Date information comes from Grand Comics Database (GCD).

I hope you guys enjoy and find this useful! I'm happy to answer any questions, and if something isn't clear feel free to let me know!

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gerryrigged · 11 months

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For the wip ask game, could you say more about the DickTim reverse robin AU? 👀

Ahhh, I love that one, but it has several backstory/set-up arcs before the romance can even kick off hghkkldjfs THE STRUGGLES

OKAY SO. This is a story about a young Dick being in love with a years-older Tim from childhood, reversing their usual ship dynamic. Most of what I have so far is concerning their backstories, when Dick is still quite young (5-10-ish), so it's more of a puppy love at that point, while Tim sees him as a child.

Overview of the first arc below the cut.

First off, 12-year-old Tim is newly training to be Shrike (the hero identity Damian Wayne abandoned (or Batman took away from him; opinions differ) after he and Bruce had a serious falling out). As part of that training, he's sent to learn from various experts in physical and crime-fighting arts, much as Bruce did when he first left Gotham, or as Tim was meant to on his first Paris trip in canon.

So Tim ends up training in acrobatics for a month with the famous Flying Graysons, whom he has long admired - along with their 5-year-old wunderkind son, Dickie. Who absolutely adores Tim, following him around everywhere, showing off his own (legitimately incredible) skills, sweetly promising to 'teach Timmy everything he knows' and insisting on flying with Tim on the trapeze at every opportunity. Tim fully dotes on him, and Dick just blooms like a little flower whenever he has the older boy's attention.

When Tim isn't training (or catering to Dick's adorably bossy whims), he's often taking pictures with the beloved camera he couldn't bring himself to leave at home. And the circus provides such a vivid panorama to capture - something new every moment!

Once, however, he unknowingly photographs something dangerous, and when someone is sent to steal the evidence (ie Tim's camera), Dickie walks in on the attempted theft. He starts to shout, but is immediately grabbed and a hand clamped over his mouth. Dickie struggles harder, kicking and screaming even with his mouth closed, so the man shushing him grips even tighter, his big hand covering the whole of Dickie's tiny mouth and nose.

Dickie soon starts to suffocate.

Until Tim bursts in, fast and furious. Dick, still thrashing weakly but fading fast, sees Tim run up and do a flying kick to take down the other thug on the scene. He hears Tim yell out for him, just as his eyes roll up and he loses consciousness.

Tim ends up having to perform CPR - luckily, learning first aid, including forms of CPR for all ages, was one of the first things Bruce set him to learning.

Dickie wakes up with Tim breathing life into him, while John and Mary also kneel close by, frantic, with various circus folk pacing on phones to 9-1-1 or kicking the tied-up thugs in the background.

Dickie stares up at Tim, the fuzzy white static of oxygen deprivation painting a halo all around him in Dickie's vision. His knight in shining armor!!! His HERO!!!!!!

(Meanwhile, Tim is trying not to break down crying or hug Dickie so tight in relief that he has trouble breathing again.)

The Graysons REALLY adopt Tim after that. The whole circus does.

("I'm gonna marry Timmy!" Dickie insists after they get home from the hospital. He's suckered Tim onto his bed with him with tearful eyes (Tim really didn't need much prodding to come and cuddle him immediately) and is glommed onto Tim's waist, clinging. "Just you watch." Mary teases (somewhat emotionally) that Tim already stole Dickie's first kiss, so of course he has to make an honest boy of him. Then Tim can be a Grayson 'officially' - hurray, she's so happy!)

(Tim can't stop smiling, so he hides it by pressing his lips to Dickie's hair.)

Tim keeps in contact with Mary, John, and especially Dick after he has to leave. Video calls, texts, postcards, the works. And he makes time to fly out whenever Haly's is traveling the eastern seaboard - to visit, cheer on their performances, spend time playing around with Dickie all over the circus and on the trapeze.

He's family.

("He's my fiance," Dickie corrects. "I thought you said he was your older brother?" one of the clowns asks, tapping his nose teasingly. "Same thing," Dickie sniffs, batting him away.)

So of course 8-year-old Dick notices immediately when Tim stops returning his texts. And his emails. And answering his phone - until his voicemail fills all the way up from Dickie's frantic calls.

It takes them a while to track down Tim's obituary, and the write-up of his funeral, in the Gotham Gazette. Tim had been so private about the people in his life away from the circus, so they hadn't had anyone else to call and ask, and limited resources to put into the search from their tour on the other side of the continent.

When they find out, Dick sinks to the floor and curls into a ball, a silent little pillbug of lost, confused grief. Mary scoops him up and wraps herself around him, and John wraps himself around Mary. They rock, and they soak each other's skin with tears, until Dick's heart cracks open and a thin, wavering wail pours out. It never seems to stop.

He doesn't smile or speak for weeks.

#dicktim #asks #gerryrigged #gerry words #dc #dick will eventually end up with the waynes #and tim will eventually reappear like a knife sliding into gotham's meaty heart #and EVENTUALLY their romance can start once dick is not a literal child hghkldjfks

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look-how-they-massacred-them · 5 months

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Talia Al Ghul

Submission reason:

she was like a very fun and interesting complex character, but then 9/11 happened and she's middle eastern so they were like got to make her just plain ol' evil so they made her a bit of a rapist, amongst other things

This one writer, Grant Morrison, took her existing character and massacred it through a racist and sexist retcon. Morrison made her a rapist, removed a lot of her depth (haven’t read this specific run because of how badly it treated Talia, there’s better things out there so forgive a lack of details), and just made her character worse. Plus, the run had continued effects which made her continue in the worse state.

After Grant Morrison's run, she was turned into the person to SA Batman, every fucking adaptation and official material insists on having her conceive Damian without Bruce's consent. Not only that, they like to depict her as a shitty mom. They also had her sleep with Jason, you know, the teenage adopted son of her beloved, who she helped heal after he crawled out of his grave.

Racist writing and misogyny. General Grant Morrison writing

Everything about her was completey changed because racist wrier couldn't bother to check what exactly happened in older comics they decided to reference

Grant Morrison took a noncanonical story in which she and Batman were in a committed relationship and totally consensually got pregnant and adapted that into main continuity by having Talia drug Bruce and rape him. For no reason other than Brown Woman Bad.

she's literally made into racist caricature, also she used to be a fashion queen and now she only wears either some black catsuit or same green top and skirt most of the time

Talia is the mother of Damian Wayne. Originally, she and Bruce had him consensually. Her morals were grayer than Bruce's, but she was a good person. They changed it so that Talia r*ped Bruce to have Damian. Nowadays, she's a horrible person! She user to be torn between Bruce and her legacy as an Al Ghul, but look at how she is now! Eugh!

While the treatment of Talia's character has never been perfect and was always marred with racism, she was a complex and nuanced morally grey character who functioned as one of Batman's main love interests for decades. Then a writer named Grant Morrison (they/them) used her as a mom for his new character, Damian Wayne (who later became the fifth Robin), without bothering to read up on her, resulting in her turning into complete racial stereotype of a heinous child abuser and heartless, coldblooded assassin who had to drug Batman to have sex with him (ie she's a rapist too now). This massacre happened in 2006 and this has since become her default characterization. Increasingly, there have been attempts made to lessen the severity of it, but since this massacre is intrinsic to Damian's character, it's extremely unlikely she'll ever recover from it.

Propaganda:

Also before Grant Morrison ever even got their hands on her she also was repeatedly killed and resurrected in rapid successikn in an explicit effort to break her mind and brainwash her into being evil, which succeeded. This had no real lasting impact but I definitely think it adds to the character massacre complete picture.

TALIA IS AMAZING AND SHE SO INTERESTING AND FUN IN STUFF THAT HASN’T BEEN RUINED BY THE MASSACRE. SORRY FOR YELLING I JUST LOVE HER AND REALLY NEED TO GO READ MORE STUFF WITH HER IN IT.

Like many Talia stans I prefer for her to be depicted as a mom figure for Jason, it's fair for us to ignore canonical shipping from the company that allows BrucexBabs and who deaged Vicki Vale (the reporter they had Bruce and Dick competing to date) so they could ship her with Tim Drake

I'm an aroace but miss al Ghul can always get it

She's cooler than you

she's really cool <3

#look how they massacred them poll #look how they massacred my girl #talia al ghul #dc comics #dc talia al ghul #propaganda post

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croutonconfidential · 2 years

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if gotham had a guardian spirit this is absolutely what i belive gotham worl look like

the pins on her trenchcoat represent some rouges or key parts of Gotham (who is technically 'they' on account of... what's the proper pronoun for a city? cuz i don't know but let's go with 'she' cuz i can't imagine Gotham being a 'he' for some reason but 'they is valid since Gotham is a city and therefore beyond gender) and all the little pins she wearing represent either rouges or key parts of what makes Gotham (since its probably hard to see them here's a list (there's one for the penguin. riddler, two face, Wayne tech and the court of owls, and i guess the batterangs and fear bombs in her trenchcoat pockets count for batman and scarecrow, there's even a bangle over her boot for cat woman cuz i love her and i want her seen)

cuz of the cannon fact that Gotham is built over a Lazarus pit i had this idea for it being why Gotham has a spirit, that and the ley lines, door to hell(whatever the heck it said on the wiki cuz there's different earth where all those things are cannon either way) Gotham is probably one of the few cities with a spirit

i totally headcanon her bleeding Lazarus juice/ectoplasm-ish stuff (i got inspired from danny phantom dc crossover talk sue me) and since she represents the city itself i feel like her appearance would shift a bit, like the colors of her clothes would shift a few shades to match with the majority of what Gotham's people are wearing or smething like that

oki story with the pearls I Imagine after alls said and done(ie: nerfing joker and victor szazs and fixing the city up) Gotham goes up to bruce and gives him his mothers pearls from the night she and Thomas got murdered and they're all stringed back together and cleaned up expertly (cuz Gotham is all its people, that includes the swanky people that know how to take care of pearls so id assume she can get that knowledge easy cuz if Gotham is Gotham id imagine her being omnipotent in city limits) and she just gives him a hug cuz goddammit she may have gotten sick and tired of the revolving door of rouges but the bat clan was the some of the only people trying to fix and change Gotham for the better instead of just surviving and living in their comfy little boxes

(omigod there should be this thing where Gotham mothers all her babies as cryptid mom. every parent is triple parenting with Gotham and not even knowing it. let her find all the lost toys and stuffed animals that kids cant get cuz they left it somewhere they couldn't retrieve them. show me Gotham ghost nanny! this would hit all the feels. and she'd parent everyone cuz every person that lives in Gotham is her baby, no one is safe from the love of Gotham.)

and oh dip Gotham, my babe, she would have felt really sad ending joker cuz clown or not that was one of hers and she knew who he was before the chemical jacuzzi happened but she knew that joker was only a shade of who he once was and now he was an infection of crazy that was screwing up the city

it would have been like cutting out an infected wound and cauterizing it, painful but necessary but painful nonetheless

and Gotham was still Gotham her people's blood flow in her street andinto her storm drains. she knows violence, Gotham is only as capable as her people, she would be brutal when seeking her dues because the property damage hurt her form, from the body to her clothes but most of all it hurt her citizens and so many are dead

but even in her crusade, there are those she doesn't touch who some would argue should not have been spared of Gotham's retribution

but the thing is that while Gotham couldn't stand by anymore to watch the serial killers run rampant Gotham is a city of crime, its been a constant since its inception, and even the rouges belong to Gotham. she was covered in blood and she will die in blood but she refused to drown in it

crime is what defines Gotham, there's a dark and lightness to every city but Gotham has always been a little darker than most. and some would argue that it's that darkness that makes Gotham whole

after all, even bats retire in their caves when the sun comes up

@im-totally-not-an-alien-2 (i thought youd like to see this since you had ideas for this and i dont know how to fricking approach people on tumblr so this is how im doing it, but anyway thanks for being a major source of inspo for this!)

#this is somehow turning into a fic #i didnt sign up for this #i just wanted to draw #dc #dcu #spirit of gotham #fanfic ideas #im bullying bruce here #gotham looks kinda pasty ngl #its cuz she dont get any sun #dc fanart #kinda dc x dp

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bonesbuckleup · 1 year

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Saw your list of wips and I gotta know.... Bruce steals the Declaration of Independence???? What is happening 😂😭 also I'm curious about the merlin shapeshifter WIP and the boy in the asteroid one for atla! Thank you for the crumbs, laughing so hard at the dick snippet you posted from the hinge sequel 😂😂 hope you're having a good one!

Good choices!

Bruce steals the Declaration of Independence: every time I enter a fandom I am legally obligated to devise a National Treasure AU that I will not actually write.

In this one, Bruce does not have a cowl, but he does have a family legacy of treasure hunting. Instead of becoming Batman, he throws himself into finding the lost Knights Templar treasure (as you do) but can't find where the key rests with Charlotte. One day this kid shows up to be like, "Hey, Mr. Wayne, sir, I, uh, I think I found the Charlotte?"

Basically, Bruce is obviously Ben. Tim (15ish) is the Riley character/tech guy. Jason (estranged son #2) works for the Smithsonian and has three hobbies: Doing history the right way and not the treasure hunting way (your boy has degrees for dayz), getting into flame wars about literature on twitter, and making Bruce Thomas Wayne's life as difficult as he possibly can. Dick (estranged son #1) is a police officer who has sworn off history (but gets the Daylights Savings realization). All of them get roped into shenanigans loosely based on National Treasure.

Shapeshifter: ANGST. AU from somewhere after series 4. Merlin believes himself to have been arrested for sorcery by Arthur and kept in a dungeon and treated very, very badly, but then...turns out it wasn't Arthur. Turns out it's a shapeshifter that feeds off power and misery (ie, it came looking for Arthur, found Emrys instead). Thing is, Merlin really thought it was Arthur, so then like 70% of the fic would actually be the fall out from that--Merlin trying to not be afraid of Arthur, who keeps telling himself it wasn't him except for Arthur doesn't know about the magic so what if it's how Arthur will be one day, Arthur trying to figure out if Merlin really trusts him that little, trying to understand how the hell Merlin could believe that Arthur would hurt him or torture him, and just.....no one has a good time at all. Eventual magic reveal and hopeful-ish ending.

Boy in the Asteroid: I had a concept for a atla characters on a Starfleet ship/Star Trek AU but it never came together much beyond this snip:

“Captain’s Log, Stardate 2152.3. Commander Sokka and Lt. Commander Dr. Katara are no longer allowed on solo away missions. I know I’ve said that before, but I mean it this time. I draw the line here.”

Basically, Zuko's the captain, Sokka's his first officer, Katara is the CMO, Toph is head of security. On an away mission, Katara and Sokka accidentally crack open an asteroid and find Aang.

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batmanisagatewaydrug · 2 years

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top five things that happened in gotham

oh god fuck I don't REMEMBER anything that happened in Gotham I didn't even watch it all

when Fish Mooney was auditioning girls to ??? psychosexually torture an old mob boss by reminding him of his mom or something?? and part of the audition was making out with Fish lmao what??? girl you can't do that that has to be illegal. I know you spend every day killing people and giving Oswald Cobblepot swirlies but there has to be a line. this is a hostile workplace. there's a special place in hell for women who make other women tongue them down to get a job.

the gay social event of the YEAR ie Oswald and Ed breaking up without ever even dating because Oswald killed the kinky librarian who was a doppelganger of Ed's ex girlfriend that he murdered and then Ed told him he was terminally unfuckable. I'm 99% sure that's how it happened. and then Oswald turned him into a fucking conversation piece in his nightclub??? MESSY. all future gay brunches RUINED. the DRAMA the PANACHE the way every annoying homosexual rogue's messenger apps must have been on literal fire that day??? exquisite. that was camp.

uuuuh god fuck did Victor Zsasz ever show hole. that sounds like something he would do. he should have. I would have kept watching the show specifically for that. but in the absence of that I will count literally every time Anthony Carrigan was onscreen being a certified little freak because that was really sincerely hot. I have problems.

do you guys remember when some guy who was like ??? running for mayor maybe and probably fucking his sister decided to honeytrap Bruce Wayne for some reason but Bruce was like 10 so it was just him and a pre-pubescent girl awkwardly existing in the same vicinity as each other? and also that girl's name was SILVER ST. CLOUD??? which is insane for sure but like. listen. she is REAL she's an actual existing DC Comics character who I think was one of Bruce Wayne's very first disposable fake girlfriends way back in like 1939 so having her be one of Bruce's first love interests in the show is kind of a clever nod to that but. uh. her name is SILVER ST. CLOUD which raises more questions about this world than the serial killer who offed people by tying them to extra-strong helium balloons as if he was inspired by that Senan Byrne vine.

also that episode where they got tired of beating around the bush and not using regular degular batman villains and broke out the Scarecrow but he turned out to be a shitty proto Scarecrow who was the mainline Scarecrow's FATHER and Jonathan Crane ie the future Scarecrow was just this gawky pale teenager. I have to assume that when he Scarecrows up in like 10 years the GCPD's first stop will be the son of the guy who was doing this last time, which seems like it's really going to take a lot of mystery out of the whole affair. this one is actually a shitty #5 it wasn't even funny. I'm sorry.

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calicogoat · 2 years

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You said in a post a long while ago that someday youd talk about how jervis lost his job, would you be able to share now please? im very interested in the Jervis Lore™️

Haaaah, yeah I had been planning to tell it in comic form but… that's not really feasible right now :x

(Cut because long)

So in short form:

Dr. Tetch has a pretty sweet job in the R & D section of Gotham U Hospital, working with degenerative neurological conditions

He also has a whopping case of burnout and deep contempt for the academic political system, ie begging for grant money

He has made all these devices, programs, prostheses, that he KNOWS could help so many people RIGHT NOW, but it might be decades before they're 'proven' safe, if approved at all

to say nothing of costs and accessibility

Anyway.

Jervis does not have much of a social life and likes to stay after work and tinker with his own projects (using company resources)

ofc he gets caught eventually

Another researcher walks in on some Very Experimental rabbit surgery, assumes Jervis is actually working, meaning all his results would be compromised by him screwing around with… whatever all that stuff is

they argue, and the other researcher threatens to report him, Jervis's temper hits boiling, and his colleague ends up with emergency fire axe to the chest.

Jervis has a glorious moment of triumph before returning to reality and panicking

And decides the best option is to try and fix it…the body's still fresh enough to accept the electrical stimulus from a chip…all he has to do is make the guy 'quit', right? Drop off a signed letter of resignation, then into the incinerator he goes. No one has to know. (He deserved it, after all.)

Look, just because you might be genius at your specialty doesn't mean you can plan for shit in a pinch

One saline drip, a lot of tape, clean labcoat and a series of chips to keep the lights on in this corpse for a few more hours and voila

He might not fool a real person, but if he can fool the security cameras…

Turns out he definitely can not fool a real person. Luckily, he has another chip and more tape!

So now Jervis is running a corpse and an intern. At least the live one requires less…manual effort.

He only vaguely knew the guy, he thinks he miiiight know who his supervisor is, he's got a lot on his mind…

He's lost.

The hospital is less busy this late but far for deserted, and even with scouts to look for clear routes Jervis just keeps…panic-adding anyone who even breathes near one of his party members.

Now there is a small army of zombies, including one who is losing function, having leaked saline and gore all over his previously clean labcoat, and one freaked out doctor with his mind stretched every which way, and people are noticing, and he's out of chips, this wasn't supposed to happen at all

In the meantime, Bruce Wayne has gone to follow up personally on Jervis's grant proposal and found A Mess

Jervis is quickly found by Batman

Jervis (who is far from being a hardened criminal at this point) surrenders, exhausted

Epilogue:

This was not a theatrical crime - he got his moniker from the papers because what the hell else are you gonna call a guy who has, as a random selection, four (4) tea sets, thirty-five (35) different teas, framed Tenniel prints and a dodo/tea cart hybrid automaton (that bit a cop) in his personal office

His options: a long hard road to recovery or some really interesting bad influences

Take a wild guess. Didn't hurt that that endorphin rush after the kill felt pretty great

It takes him a little while to get going but by the time he makes his Proper Introduction he is fucking Owning It

#this ask made my day thank you #asks #doxxed0367 #C009 #crime-wise? a little anticlimactic maybe #the man's a late bloomer

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batmanego · 1 year

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okay so Maximum Canon (always written with the capitals) is a term i stole from someone talking about doctor who and i generally use it in a few (contradictory) ways.

the first refers to any information that is so canon that it cannot be erased from canon without fundamentally changing the story/character it is canon to. see: bruce wayne's dead parents, clark kent is an alien, etc etc

the second way is more sarcastic/poking fun in nature and that refers to the current canon of a character, usually canon that has rewritten part of a character or story's history. Maximum Canon in this instance can be understood to be tim drake's bisexuality (yay!) or dick grayson getting... "fired" from being robin (What?).

Maximum Canon could also, i guess, be a way to refer to "word of god" canon things, ie anything that isn't canon in the text but is declared canon by the author. blanking on examples here but you get the point.

alternatively, maybe Maximum Canon refers to a sort of culmination of everything that has ever been canon about a character or story, which puts it in direct opposition to the way i use it most often (see use 2). this use is particularly interesting to me as it is the reason why you can, theoretically, portray batman as a hyperviolent uber-rich authoritarian vigilante and not be wrong. (i still think your analysis of him is shallow in this sense, but yes, some versions of him have been this. but also if youre operating in this version of Maximum Canon, all the versions of him that ARENT this are EQUALLY canon, so TAKE THAT)

points 2 and 4, despite being diametrically opposed, have a lot of similarities in this vein because their usages of Maximum Canon essentially mean that as long as you are playing by the "rules" the Maximum Canon has set out, it doesn't matter if you are going against what Used To Be True or not. in usage 2, out with the old in with the new. in usage 4, all facts coexist regardless of how contradictory they are, so you can ascribe to any interpretation you wish to.

i'm more personally fond of the "current canon that supercedes retcons" definition of Maximum Canon, as it both allows and forces me to get creative with what "canon" means to me (is it canon if it hasn't been mentioned since a soft retcon? WHO KNOWS!) AND means that i don't have to live in a world where all star batman and robin is real. "everything is canon no gods no masters", similarly, gives me the opportunity to create Maximum Fanon (a term i use hesitantly to simply mean "my own reconciliation of past MC and current MC", not "lets go wild with character misinterpretation!"). i think i approach Maximum Canon somewhere in the middle of these two. anyways these are just some thoughts on comic book retcons/canonicity

#comics meta #Maximum Canon #long post

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mangoisms · 1 year

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oh i forgot to mention but i was plagued by Thoughts again last night of a dc/dna crossover. there was the supergirl/reader as clark/miyuki as lois au i briefly yelled about which was just a passing thought but still a whole lot of fun.

and what was last nights???? under the cut because wow i’m thinking thoughts

once again in the dc universe…. reader as an amazonian specifically as fulfilling the role of wonder woman (since that’s a mantle and has been passed to people other than the og lady diana). But… instead of having bruce wayne as batman and clark kent as superman i think it would fit more if they were legacies or that’s just what i find myself considering often. anyway. for superman it would be jon kent — clark’s son — and then for batman… drum roll please… cassandra cain.

i know this largely doesn’t mean much to u guys who are following me for daiya and that’s totally fine! there’s a lot behind it but generally of all of bruce’s kids it’s accepted that she is the one most passionate about succeeding him and also probably the only one who could have even a remotely healthy relationship with the mantle (whereas the others…. Would Not). but along with this i see them as being new to the positions and they are IMPORTANT positions not just in their respective cities but on the justice league because those three founded the league (i think i’m pretty sure who knows what continuity says these days).

anyway basically all that means reader is the one helming the league for the moment as they settle in and where is miyuki you might ask?????? Glad you asked. miyuki kazuya = justice league’s pr head and perpetually annoyed at having to deal with the finicky stuff of politics when a leaguer says something people do not like. or alternatively trying to do damage control when they uh. destroy a whole city block fighting off aliens or some shit.

i keep making him the ‘normal’ one. as in reader continues to be ultra strong literaly invincible — ie being imagined as a kryptonian and then here as an amazonian. specifically a demigod? yeah i think that’s correct. either way. but you also couldn’t tell me that he wouldn’t be mildly turned on by the fact that his girlfriend can like. kick severe ass. and i mean SEVERE ass. we already know kryptonians are super strong but diana — og wonder woman diana prince the one we all know and love — can and will go toe to toe with clark/superman.

of course that one is more yummy to me because the amazonians are literal warriors and generally just. really powerful but also sort of. feral in a way? (affectionate). and a kryptonian reader would lack that mostly because of the in universe perspective of kryptonians. that is as being seen as practical gods and generally wary of, they need to be careful not to be perceived as too feral or too dangerous otherwise people get Nervous. but with amazonians i feel it’s sort of known. what with themyscira being like. Kill men who breach our territories. you know. it’s like yeah yeah yeah we all know about the slightly homicidal amazonians but wow get a load of these aliens! so dangerous!

(which is true but i stand by my thought that the speedsters are the most dangerous because they could effectively eliminate the justice league quickly without even a second for retaliation but that’s. uh. not related to this…)

anyway. i don’t have much in terms of anything else. maybe an assassination attempt. kidnapping. sorry miyuki but how else should we get the full might of the justice league on your behalf????? with the reader leading it and a little bit feral too come ON

#‘‘twas just a fun little thought!!!!!!!!!#did keep me up for a while tbh #it’s just compelling okay!!!!!!!#i think this shows more of my dc brain rot than anything else tbh #moss writes

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This post was just slap after slap after slap what the fuck!!! I now desperately need to learn Korean so I can experience this real time like what do you MEAN Jumin calls Zen Zen-ie and Zen has called Jumin Juminnie???

Zen refers very casually to Jumin and Jumin simply??? Does not care?? That he doesn't use honorifics??

Yoosung calls 707 Sevennie hyung... 😭 why am I crying... Seven calls Jumin Juminnie Hyung?? He refers to Jumin so affectionately but Zen is just Zen hyung...

Pls read the whole post I love it

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Once the time for the great evil to appear passes, and no man has been born to the Gerudo, all take a sigh of relief. The prophecy will not come to pass this go around, they think.

But there's one Gerudo, with long red hair and a veil over her face, a thin attempt to try and hide a truth no one could see anyway

She has all the parts, and no more strong is she than the average woman of her race. She's normal. Absolutely normal. A good Gerudo girl who's mind had never been touched by the miasma of Ganon.

But one day, a young blond Hylian visits. He is strong, and earns the respect of the Gerudo soldiers easily. A sword of mystic powers strapped to his back and centuries of the trees, the sky, and courage lay in his history. It's not his time yet, this good Gerudo girl knows- but she doesn't tell anyone.

This Hylian, he leaves the city. He cannot reside in the same quarters as the women, and in a town of all women this means he must sleep outside. The boy is not bothered, he sets up camp at the city walls with indifference, and for some unknown reason, the good Gerudo girl goes out to meet him.

"I've simply brought provisions, nothing more." She tells him. The Hylian doesn't speak, he never speaks, but he smiles. The mark on her hand pulses.

The Hylian invites her to sit, and out of some sort of obligation she does. She cuts up the fruit she'd brought for the Hylian, and the Hylian gives her another smile. She feels sick, in a way. The heat of the desert night persists, and as a bead of sweat trails down her back, she becomes hyper aware of herself. The jewelry on her ankles accentuating dainty legs, the elegant bow of her straight back encircled in gold, the high ponytail of red hair cascading over her shoulder. She was a good Gerudo girl.

It's summer in the Gerudo Desert. Even at night, the heat easily clears 100 degrees. The Hylian, the Hero, he strips. Casually, as though unashamed in the presence of a good Gerudo girl. She'd been told the Hylians were more prudish than her own people, but something about this one, he was wild. The deranged holiness of the forest and the skies shone in his eyes. When he prompted her, the good Gerudo girl took off her own top. Laid bare before the Hylian, he did nothing. The Hero simply sat down once more, gazing up at the stars as he accepted the cut fruit. Slowly, carefully, breathing shallow as though a sword was to her neck, she shed the loose pants cinched with gold at her waist. The Hero only glanced over, uninterested. The mark on her hand throbbed harshly, and the mark on the Hylian's hand did the same.

But that didn't matter. She was a good Gerudo girl, and the great evil hadn't been born this time around. No sin had been bred in her mind, no power she wielded more than normal.

Right?

Right.

Trying to be as inconspicuous as possible, she copied the Hero's stance. Her own elegant posture was that of a good Gerudo girl, she'd trained it into herself since she was but a child. The warrior at her side had the lazy stance of a predator, as though he were a jaguar lounging over its prey. The Gerudo girl didn't want to be prey, but as she rearranged her legs and shifted her waist to copy the Hero, she couldn't help but feel as though she'd fallen into the Hylian's lap. The pleased smirk on his face could have been a figment of the Gerudo girl's imagination, and the sharp blue eyes roving over her body could have been a trick of the light.

The hero did nothing, though, and now both in the position of men, horrible, un-Gerudo-like Men, the Gerudo girl closed golden eyes and reached out. The hand with a mark identical to hers, except for the triangle on the opposite side filled instead, took hers.

She was an awful Gerudo girl.

The Hylian drew words in Gerudo script in the sand, and pointed them out to the very bad Gerudo girl.

Your name? he had asked.

The very bad Gerudo girl couldn't speak her name aloud. She would be an even worse Gerudo girl than than if she didn't say it at all. Perhaps this Hylian was wise, sticking to the ways of silence.

As though admitting to the greatest sin of all, the Gerudo girl who was perhaps not a girl at all, wrote in the sand one of her numerous secrets.

Ganondorf.

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Get fucking owned

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Honestly, Mystic Messenger deserves kudos for how unique it was. I really can't think of another dating sim with the overall vibe of MM, nothing compares. Like, the dynamics between love interests first of all isn't jam packed with cheap drama. When you read the conversations between them, you can actually believe that these people are friends and get along with each other. You can sense that they've known each other for a very long time, you sense the trust and the deep bonds more and more as you progress through the story.

Not only that, but the love interests are unique as well. Any dating sim fan can tell you all about the various tropes that our love interests embody, but I feel like MM is the only sim that actually has a unique take on them. Like yes, Jumin is the overbearing rich CEO who's into BDSM and wants to own you like he owns everything else, but going through his story you truly see a side to him that feels so gratifying to learn about in the format of MM. His conflict with his dad is unique to the core- his dad isn't abusive, not to Jumin. On the contrary, Jumin holds nothing but warm praise for his father consistently and you can tell that aside from the womanizing, they have quite a good relationship! But you see Jumin's emotions change real time, how he slowly breaks down until he can't stand it anymore. How he just needs someone to comfort and understand him in his lonely world, someone who isn't a cat or his friends that don't know how to act when Jumin's collected demeanor falls apart.

Or Zen, the classic narcissist flirt, who isn't at all. You really get to see where his narcissism comes from, how he copes with being an actor, how he learns to let down his walls and let people in all the while his sweet personality coming through.

Just. Ugh. Mystic Messenger.

383 notes - Posted November 24, 2022

My #1 post of 2022

Back at it again to talk about just how much I hate the very concept of Jason 'giving up' on the Joker to return to the batfam.

Like, I see so many people who write meta and fics that claim that the one true solution to the current conflict between Bruce and Jason is for Jason to have a come to Jesus moment about why killing is wrong and to just accept that the Joker will continue to live, doing so for the sole reason of reconciling with Bruce. To me, it just reeks.

I cannot say this enough, but their conflict is not about whether killing is moral or not!!! That is not why Jason just cannot make up with Bruce as things are! Jason was considered one of the only comic book characters to be permanently dead for a reason, his death continues to mean something even after his resurrection for a reason!! The conflict starts in that the man who was supposed to protect him failed to and Jason DIED! The conflict continues because Jason was not avenged at all! His death was meaningless! Completely, utterly, meaningless!

The whole reason Jason goes on his murderquest in Gotham is because he saw newspaper clippings of the Joker, still alive and well, escaping Arkham! He must have thought of all the times Joker escaped while he was just a little kid, how they were constantly rounding the guy up and putting him back, watching the body count that this man has personally caused go up and up and up while they were functionally powerless to stop it. Jason himself says so, directly asking Bruce why he's let the Joker fill entire graveyards with innocent lives!

Under the Red Hood is a well thought out story. It never meant to make the case for whether murder is morally justifiable or not, that was Batman's trauma filled excuse. The reality, as outlined in samiralula01's post, is that Jason's death killed Bruce. He lost his ability to be compassionate, loving, merciful, and more. His little boy was dead. Clinging onto his belief that murder is wrong was just a means to justify to himself why Jason's death would have to go unavenged, and as a direct consequence of this delusion and trauma, which is explicitly said in UTRH, most of Batman's sidekicks have left him! Oracle, Tim, Steph, Cass, everyone except Dick! He's pushed them all away because of this crippling fear of losing them like how he lost Jason, this fear that has made him a colder, less loving man. The fear that turned him from a bringer of justice and hope into a dark shadow.

Jason is right, at the end of the day. He knows the Joker cannot be rehabilitated nor contained, he knows that Bats is just making excuses for himself, and his point of view is further justified by two events: 1, the fact that Barbara was brutalized by the Joker even after Jason died, and 2, that Bludhaven and supposedly Dick was literally NUKED right before Jason went to kill the Joker and instead of running to see if his son was okay, Batman went after Jason.

Batman chose the Joker over his kids not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times.

Jason dying and the Joker living on was the first.

Barbara being tortured to the point of disability was the second.

Dick being nuked and Bats not running to save him was the third.

and Jason having his throat slit by a batarang so Bats could save Joker was the fourth.

UTRH is the story of how Batman does not actually have a solid moral ground to stand on anymore. It displays not only what a broken and defeated man Bruce is, but also implies several times, most notably through the coffin maker's story, that even Bruce believes that Jason is right. He believes that his precious second son deserved to be avenged, not even through bureaucratic or judicial means, but through death. UTRH is a story about Batman, all alone, making huge mistake after huge mistake.

Jason asks Batman to choose: him or me. The Joker or Jason. Your kids or a villain.

Batman chooses.

The Joker puts it the best, after Batman upholds his no-killing rule for the Joker by killing Jason.

"You managed to find a way to win... and everybody still loses!"

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As a person who hasn’t read a lot of Batman comics from before he had Robin, how accurate is The Batman in it’s portrayal of Bruce? Did Bruce really not start pretending to be more of a socialite playboy till Year Two?

tl;dr "depends on the comics you read." Some people complaining about The Batman truly think that "Bruce Wayne the airheaded playboy" is the only public-facing persona Bruce has ever had and it shows, but Bruce as an affable socialite and playboy is a thing the comics have cultivated for decades. So Reeves' take, while somewhat based in comic canon as well, is definitely the minority interpretation.

The short answer is no, the "socialite playboy" persona is absolutely a core part of Bruce's early days as Batman, for a variety of reasons. Bruce doesn't always portray himself that way to the public, but he tends to adopt the playboy persona early on and (somewhat) shed it after being Batman for awhile rather than it being something he only adopts later on.

Stories like Year One and The Long Halloween are pretty careful to show Bruce cultivating that airheaded playboy persona, mostly because he thinks it's the best way to distract people from thinking he might be Batman. However, I will note that outside of some notable exceptions (Bruce does tend to seriously date women who are either wealthy socialites or morally ambiguous women who can kick his ass, after all), his "playboy persona" is largely a ruse even in his early days; most of his dating life is more along the lines of "take women out on a couple of dates, make sure they enjoy themselves, and then thank them for their time or pretend to run off with another woman."

But Bruce has been portrayed as a more serious, level-headed public figure before on several occasions. In fact, I'd say the majority of his modern public persona tends to be more along the lines of "not the absolute brightest bulb in the box, but a generally intelligent, well-meaning guy who happens to have an unfortunate playboy streak."

He is genuinely known for his philanthropy, generosity, and humanitarian work, and that's also something that Comics!Bruce is committed to since the very beginning (unlike Reeves' Bruce). However, I think the change to "recluse who really doesn't do much as Bruce Wayne" actually works really well in the movie because it's a change that's in conversation with decades of non-comics Batman media rather than the comics themselves. It's a plotpoint that is deliberately designed to explicitly address and ultimately subvert the tired Twitter hottake that Bruce should be "using his money to help clean up Gotham" instead of dressing up in a Bat suit and "beating up poor people."

Comic readers know Bruce is known for his philanthropy and unending fight against corruption as Bruce Wayne; we understand that he's committed himself to fighting crime both by day and by night. BTAS/DCAU fans generally know too. But for people who basically just interact with Batman through the big-budget movie space, the explicit conversation of "Bruce is rich, what's he doing for Gotham outside of Batman?" hasn't ever really been had outside of some charity galas and throwaway lines about funding community improvement initiatives.

Thus, I think if you're looking for a Bruce Wayne characterization that Rob's Bruce is patterned on and in conversation with, you should actually be looking at Michael Keaton's "secluded recluse" Bruce Wayne from Batman '89 rather than the comics. Keaton's Bruce is pretty clearly one of the bases for Pattinson's Bruce even if the two movies' perspectives on that type of characterization are radically different from each other (ie, Keaton!Bruce is a somewhat functional human being, he just generally chooses to not engage with the public).

Reeves' Bruce is a Bruce that is so wholly committed to Batman being the best way to live his life and achieve his goals that he's deliberately neglecting everything else: his father's philanthropic work, his status as Head of Wayne Enterprises, active oversight of the Gotham Renewal Fund, etc. He initially sees no use for the many mechanisms available to him to tackle the sources of crime rather than the symptoms of it, and it's a viewpoint that is directly challenged by the events of the film. It's pretty clear that by the end (especially after his realization that Falcone has only been able to use the Renewal Fund to fuel Gotham's corruption for the past 20+ years because of his refusal to oversee it and actively engage with the public), he's changed his mind and realized that it's the wrong way to approach things.

It's not particularly common for the comics to portray Bruce this way, but it does happen. Reeves took quite a bit of worldbuilding inspiration from Batman: Earth One, an AU modernization of Bruce's origins where Bruce is portrayed as a more serious figure who isn't particularly involved in public life; he's active as CEO of WE, but (to my knowledge, since I have yet to read it) the playboy persona isn't really a thing in that universe. So I would say that if you're looking for the answer to "is Reeves' Bruce actually based in comic canon?" the answer is technically yes, but you mainly have to look at AU/Elseworlds comics for that interpretation, not mainverse canon.

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just-an-aussie-fandom-hermit · 4 years

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Some #Only in Gotham posts because I’m stressed and this is my coping mechanism

Guys guys guys

So I was in Central City today visiting some friends earlier this morning, and then the city gets attacked by these... aliens? Weird reptillian cryptids?? Who knows, but they were not happy nor friendly. We were all at this nice cafe just vibing in the outdoor area when this bipedal, green-gray reptile thing pops out of the manhole outside the cafe and goes absolutely feral. He was super close to my group so I grab my croc repellant (for non gothamites, its’ basically pepper spray but really bad-smelling to ward off croc if he ever shows up) out in an instant and I sprayed it right in the face.

Then I grabbed the nearest thing—some poor old guy’s metal walking frame—and whacked the reptile in the back of the head and it crumpled basically instantly.

And after the JL had stepped in to deal with the rest of them (not many, from what I’ve heard, but better safe than sorry I guess), heaps of people were freaking out about it because, well, this is Central City, they don’t get this kind of crime, they’re not prepared for this, yada yada.

Then that manhole pops up and everyone freaks out again because “oh god they’re back” but it’s just Batman dragging a bunch of tied up reptiles out of the sewers using some kind of winch set-up. It was almost comical—a daisy chain of reptiles being lifted out of this manhole in Central City by our favourite Goth Cryptid.

The cops were completely floored. The civilians didn’t know whether to be more scared of Bats or the reptiles. I mean, it was literally the middle of the day, and it’s rare to see Batman in daytime in Gotham but I guess this was an extenuating circumstance, so I guess I see why they were scared.

Batman just looks down at me standing over an unconscious reptilian holding the can of croc repellant and he’s just like “I’m guessing you’re from Gotham.”

I was like “yeah. Can’t escape the damn cryptids wherever I am.”

And tHEN he LAUGHS. Like, it was a small and quiet snort but it happened and I’m still shook. I have officially joined the “I made Batman laugh” squad. I can ascend peacefully now.

He seemed super embarrassed but asked if my friends and I were okay before he turned on his heel and stalked over to Flash and Woner Woman, a daisy-chain of reptiles in tow.

#lmao #onlyingotham #Batman #IMadeBatmanLaugh #ITookDownAReptileCryptid #GothamIsWeirdOkay #WeGottaBePreparedForAnything

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I just heard this Metropolis guy try and trash Bruce Wayne to his friend at this diner and like five seperate people (myself included) turned around to roast the hell outta him. Like, yeah, he’s a billionaire, which is a whole can of worms I don’t wanna open right now, but he’s basically the only reason this city’s still standing and functioning (especially after the quakes and the no-man’s-land bs). His kids—most are poc and would not have thrived in the system—are all successful and work with their communities to better other people’s lives. Bruce Wayne is basically the only reason I got through high school (and am now in college); a scholarship is the only reason most of my friends have enough money to make rent. He “accidentally” spilled wine on Lex Luthor when he made a sexist remark. Also, didn’t it come out recently that he’s basically been funding the JL o at least is a major financial backer? An icon. You can shut your mouth, Jeremy.

One girl Instagram lived the whole exchange (she was filming beforehand I think) and it was magical.

Later on, Robin (the newest one, with the swords) shows up and he’s like “thank you for defending the honour of Mr Wayne”. I was like “kid,,,, you don’t need to thank me but you’re welcome”. he just kinda looks at me for a second and says “you eat free tonight” and chucks a bunch of dollar notes at me and disappears into the wilderness (ie. an alleyway). It was so surreal.

#GiveWayneABreak #BruceWayne #LetTheManLiveHisLife #GothamitesProtectTheirOwn #EvenTheBatkidsAreProtectiveOfHim

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Yeah so....... I just saw some of Two-Face’s goons about to enter a bank, weapons drawn, and I’m scared because their boss is in Arkham, and the Rogues’ most loyal people always get antsy and trigger-happy when their bosses are off the board. I’d dialed 911 when I first saw them and ducked into an alley.

But then I see one of them stop dead in their tracks—Goon A we’ll call him—and says “hey, Wayne’s in there”.

Goon B: “Oh, we’re not meant to go after Wayne. Pack it in fellas.”

Goon C: “Huh? why not?”

Goon A: “Boss-man said so. Wayne used to be his best bud. Helped him campaign to be DA and stuff. Went to college together. Nice man.”

Goon B: “Got no problem wth that. Wayne’s the only reason my boys got through school. Besides, we mess with Wayne, the boss and Harley will be on our asses.”

Goon C: “Huh. Fair enough. We’ll go to the other location then.”

And then they just,,,, left.

#EvenTheRoguesWannaProtectHim #BruceWayne #HarveyDent #TheGuysGotCaughtAfter #IToldDetectiveMontoya #AndSheJustSighedForAReallyLongTime #OnlyInGotham #GothamIsWeird

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Today I was in a Zoom call with some of my coworkers on the other side of the world, sitting in the kitchen facing the living room, when Red Robin comes crashing through my window. I just kinda turned around to see if he was badly injured (he wasn’t, couldn’t even see any blood) so I just continued on with what I was saying and he sheepishly left through the same window.

My coworkers are looking at me like “Jacob are you okay??” And I’m like, “yeah man, that was just Red Robin, he has unfortunate luck with windows. Soon enough one of the other Bats will come knocking with a replacement or a cash refund. Though, I should probably just invest in plexi-glass.”

One of my coworkers went on a bit of a rant about “vigilantes causing property damage and disrupting the peace” and i’m like “Mark I’d rather Batman crashing through my door or window once a month to getting buried in my twenties in his abscence,” and he was like “yeah, fair enough” so we just continued with our call.

After my call, Blonde Batgirl shows up and apologises for the window. I ask about plexi-glass and if Red Robin is alright.

She’s like “yeah he’s fine but he’s getting Bat-Lectured for being reckless which is why I’m here. Also from what Oracle can tell you should be able to get plex-glass installed within the week.”

#OnlyInGotham #GettingBatLecturedDoesNotSoundFun #ThanksOracle #BatmanDontBeTooHardOnTheKid #Gothamite #MeanwhileInGothamCity #GothamCity #RedRobin

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So, Red Hood piggy-backed me up to my apartment yesterday because my heel broke when I was fleeing from these guys trying to mug me (or worse) and I sprained my ankle. He carried me up four flights of stairs and helped me get into my apartment and wrap my foot properly.

I told him to take some of my nana’s lasagna (because our local vigilante needs to keep his strength up! Man’s gotta eat, and from what I hear he’s not swimming in cash) and he got real quiet for a while before saying “yeah, sure”.

So he ate some lasagna while I called in sick to work (who were very understanding, surprisingly).

Then after a little while he’s like “bye” and jumps outta my window.

An icon.

#RedHood #OnyInGotham #WeStanALegend #IHopeYouLikedTheLasagna #MyNanaSaysSheWillMakeMoreForYou #GrowingUpInCrimeAlley

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dc-said-bi-robin-rights · 3 years

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The thing that bothers me about comics is the disconnect between what actually happens and what the characters that they present should realistically do.

Because here’s the thing: I understand WHY this disconnect exists. The realities of writing comic books means that things can’t be connected the way they should be, because all of these people are different writers in different series. I get that. It’s like asking “why does Superman never show up in Gotham to help Batman in those storylines where things get bad? He could clean it all up in an hour!”. Well, it’s because it doesn’t work like that. Comic books don’t work like that.

But it’s just that you can’t tell me that character A loves character B and then show Character A having fun and going out with friends knowing full well that Character B is fighting terrorists in Siberia.

For a specific example, let’s talk about the Batfamily and what’s happening with Damian Wayne, because that’s what this post is really about.

You can’t tell me “Bruce loves his son” and then have Bruce mention that Damian’s missing once and then never bring it up again even after everything urgent has been taken care of.

You can’t tell me “Dick loves Damian like his own child and was even thinking of adopting him” and then have Dick go around having fun and adopting puppies in Bludhaven and calling Tim the best Robin and hanging out with him and then have him not devote a single thought to the fact the fourteen year old he, at the very absolute least, loves as a brother, if not as a son, is out there alone in a really bad place mentally. I mean, Damian literally imagined a conversation with Alfred he knew wasn’t real because it brought comfort to him. That’s..that’s not something someone who is okay does. You can’t tell me he doesn’t ask about Damian and why the fuck Tim is wearing the Robin suit after he recovers his memory if I’m supposed to believe he cares about Damian. You can’t tell me he was grinning when Tim says “now that we are all here” if he’s supposed to love Damian, who is most definitely not there. You can’t tell me that Dick’s a person who can find the good in anyone and who loves Damian and would forgive him anything and then have him tell the team that WILLINGLY (and this pisses me off so much too) followed Damian into his oh so evil acts (all of which Bruce has done but was absolved of blame for hundreds of times because god forbid Dc’s Batgod is ever in the wrong) that they’re blameless and his evil thirteen year old brother is the one that’s actually to blame. You can’t tell me he was fully aware of Damian’s spiraling mental state, to the point that fucking RAVEN, who knew Damian for like, a month, told him that he really should check up on Damian and then have him tell her “no, I’m busy, I’ll do it later if I remember. Anyway..”.

You can’t tell me Duke was the first person to try (and succeed) to befriend Damian even after seeing him at his worst (ie: beating Duke up) and then have Duke change the subject away from Damian when Batman brought up the fact Damian’s missing without even expressing any sort of worry.

You can’t tell me that Damian has siblings and friends and people who love him and then have him be able to disappear off the radar and no one gives a shit. You can’t tell me these people are his siblings and then have them not being driven mad with worry or desperately trying to find him but instead just...chilling.

Please understand that I’m not saying that these people’s lives should revolve around Damian or anything of the sort. But you can’t tell me two people love each other and then have them not express worry or concern over the other one! And this is in general, not just in relation this specific example. Yeah, your life doesn’t revolve around your loved ones, but if your loved one is hurt or missing or cold and alone you damn well will not be able to get that off your mind. It SHOULD bother you, because you love this person!

And even in the few times where a character has mentioned Damian it’s always in the negative. You can’t tell me Bruce loves his son and is super worried about him and then have him bad-mouthing Damian the entire search (TWICE!) instead of having him express actual concern!

I have a little brother. He’s incredibly annoying, a little entitled, really fucking mean, etc etc.

If he was missing, you bet your sweet fucking ass I wouldn’t be thinking of how annoying he was while I searched for him. I wouldn’t be acting like searching for him is a chore. I wouldn’t be bad mouthing him in my head or expressing my disappointment at his life choices. I can think about that after I find him. But while I don’t know where he is and if he’s in trouble, the only fucking thought on my mind would be “I need to find him right fucking now”. Intrusive thoughts would pop in about what would happen if he was in trouble and I wasn’t there and I’d try to suppress them so I could concentrate on finding him. I would feel super guilty for even sitting DOWN while he was missing even if I knew he could take care of himself.

And on a family like the Bat-Family? Where siblings drop like flies? Where so much suffering has already occurred? Where Damian has ALREADY DIED BEFORE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE?

Motherfucker, I wouldn’t be able to think, because my little brother is my sibling and I love him.

And you can’t tell me these people feel the same way about Damian that I feel about my little brother and then have them just...chilling while Damian is missing and in a spiraling mental state.

#damian wayne #batfam #robin #batfamily #batman #batman family #batman fandom #damian wayne robin #robin damian wayne #dc comics

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What if the batfam found batfam headcanons and stuff on tumble, and, by extension, your account?

If the batfam were real my account would be sooooooooooo different. It’d probably be dedicated to things/ppl i like in general rather than just dc/batfam (that being said I am still an accidental batfam blog, I make no promises and will fill no boxes). I’ll assume that I have some posts about the Waynes just cause I would view them as a funny/relatable rich family but I also have posts about other groups/individuals I know and like (ie Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, All Time Low, Hannah Gadsby, etc). Let’s also assume that in this universe I would have batfam posts. If this were to be the case I would def make a bunch of posts about moth-man being a member of the ‘bat squad’ (cause I wouldn’t know they’re fam). Also ngl I would definitely ship them, like I would not know they were a family so I’d definitely ship them, mostly jokingly but probs low key seriously. Which would be even funnier bc my ships would annoy the hell out of them. Based solely off their public vigilante personas here’s how I think my ships would go:

Batgirl/Spoiler: I mean tbh rn whether or not i ship them depends on my mental state and the moon cycle. So I’d definitely ship them in this alternate universe.

Red Robin/Nightwing: I would definitely ship sad analytical boi with sunshine bby. I wouldn’t even need a reason, I’d just think their personalities work well together. Ok I wrote this part a few hours ago and just realized whether or not I shipped them would depend on their ages/how old they appeared to be. I would not ship bby™ (aka 16/17) Tim w/ flippy boi™ (24/25) Dick Grayson.

Babs!Batgirl/Batwoman: Again, no real reason. I’d just think their personalities would be cute together.

The Signal/Kid Flash: I know this one seems random, and tbh it would be. But I’d ship the Signal with another day time hero and I feel like if these characters were real I’d like the speedsters more than the supers (cause they’re more talkative/bantery).

Red Hood/Batman: Tbh this is the worst/funniest. I wouldn’t know RH was a Robin. I would just see them fighting then slowly becoming allies, so I’d be like ‘Cool! What a nice enemies to lovers arc’

But legit if I didn’t know their alter egos/that they’re family my biggest ship would be Red Hood/Batman. Which would be absolutely hilarious. Like imagine all my redarse (yes that is the only ship name I acknowledge for Jason/Roy) posts as Red Hood/Batman. The only differences being that they don’t reference the manor/civilian identities (ex. Instead of saying manor I’d say hideout or some vague shit) and Batman would take Jason’s place as the more cynical/serious one while Red Hood would take Roy’s place as the irresponsible/funny one. It’d be golden, especially bc then Jason and Bruce stumble on to them and would just get so awkward. Just for a moment imagine them reading my ‘who has a better ass’ post (link). And Jason just being so embarrassed at the thought of ever talking about Bruce’s ass like that. Or my ‘Roy tries to flirt’ post (link). Like Bruce straight up leaves the room after reading it. Later they pass each other in the hall and this happens:

Bruce: We will never discuss what was read today ever again. Right?

Jason: I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Bruce: Good.

Tim, walks by looking at his phone: Ha, thunder thighs.

Both Bruce and Jason go red and quickly walk a way.

No one says anything about it bc it is sorta awkward, but every once and while Tim and Steph can be seen giggling over a post.

(Also I hope this post doesn’t sound super conceited, I just linked posts so that y’all could see what I’m talking about.)

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redjaybathood · 2 years

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Possible prompt if you're still doing those:

Reverse Robin AU member/members meeting the canon Batfam member/members.

I usually don't go to the default Damian one and instead invert the first four Robins, IE:

Stephanie Wayne, the first Spoiler, now Knight-Hawk and heiress to Wayne Inc, she and Bruce have a weirdly good relationship, though she concedes this is cos her standards were 'low' which helped give him a learning curve.

Tim Drake, briefly Spoiler before the Court of Owls killed his family& tried to make him a Talon to learn Batman's identity, went off the trails for revenge for a bit.

Jason Wayne, the third Spoiler, now Nocturn, intends to study medicine and take over Wayne Foundation one day, tiny nerd.

Dick Grayson, temporarily Spoiler for training, but actually still has Mary Grayson and usually goes by Robin, argues with Bruce a lot in a "You're not my dad" context.

Feel free to ignore this, but I enjoy dabbling in this concept, but can never think of anything to do with it beyond thought experiments.

Yeah I am really digging the reversal between Steph and Dick, and how every kid starts as Spoiler, continuing her tradition now.

I bet Tim killed the heck out of Court of Owls but at the same time, he did it in a way that can't actually be tied to him. It's a fuck you to both the Owls (who wanted him as their pet assassin; well, he's not doing any murders by his hands, thanks) and Bruce because he cannot actually prove, with evidence, that it's Tim.

Curious choice of Jason's callsign. Is it maybe because before Bruce took him in, he was adopted by Natalia Knight? She felt kinship with Jason, whose childhood on the streets was similar to hers. She took him in, and though she told him the truth about what she was doing, she never let him get involved. Unfortunately, her brother felt threatened by Jason's presence, seeing him as a sign that he wasn't the most important person for her anymore. Long story short and several murder attempts later, Natalie was stabbed and had to flee Gotham, and Bruce ended up taking Jason in. After his time as Spoiler, Jason relinquished the mantle to the next one in line, choosing a name that honoured his adoptive mother.

By the way, I think Damian should be the youngest, still. Because if he is the oldest kid, then how old is Bruce? So as Damian arrives, Dick ditches the Spoiler in favour of Robin and Damian becomes the Spoiler.

Duke became a part of Batfam during No Man's Land. He and his parents got separated during an evacuation, and he created an information hub out of deserted Clock Tower. Not knowing, initially, that it already had one resident: Batgirl. He just showed up, hooked some equipment (okay it was much complicated than that). Everyone knew that if you wanted to sell or trade information, or if you wanted to find someone, that's where to go. After the No Man's Land situation was resolved, Duke kept at it, becoming Oracle. He used the information he got to foil Riddler, Joker, and others before they even had a chance to implement their plans. Eventually, he became a target, and that's how he discovered his awesome Light-based powers and became a Signal.

Cassandra, on another hand, is the OG Batgirl. She was around since the same time, more or less, as Batman had been. Small difference: she was adopted by Jim Gordon and has a little sister Barbara who looks up to her (and will become the next Batgirl).

Oh. And in this case, Batwoman was the first vigilante in Gotham. Freshly discharged from the army, she used her training to help people in a way she could. Bruce was kinda following in his cousin footsteps, though as he didn't have an army background, he had to go on a tour to find teachers.

Sorry, that's me babbling. But I really like the concept! If you start posting it, let me know!

#jason todd #damian wayne #stephanie brown #dick grayson #cassandra cain #tim drake #duke thomas #reverse robins #fic ideas #asks

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