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sparrow-the-tired-lesbian · 7 months

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thoughts on episode 2 (SPOILERS)

Oh don’t tell me we get Sylki this episode

OH MY GOD THEYRE WEARING TUXEDOS

MARRIED COUPLE LOKIUS

oh god no not Brad

HA LOKI SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM

Mobius you’re such a dummie

B15 MY BELOVED

OHOHO GET FUCKED BRAD

Mobius is gay panicking

BRAD WHAT KIND OF RUN IS THAT

OHOHO MAGIC

WHERE DID YA COME FROM WHERE DID YA GO WHERE DID YA COME FROM COTTON EYE LO

MOBIUS IS GAY PANICKINGGGGGG

*sings along to the theme song*

Ohhh b15 you’re lookin fine

There’s a jail in the TVA??? I forgot about that

bring it to my son

OUROBOROS WHERE ARE YOU

SON

Aww he talks to himself that’s cute

So smart

He’s gonna get so fed up with people bringing shit to him when he wrote a whole book about it

Sweet Casey

Married couple Lokius building their IKEA bed

CASEY READ THE GUIDEBOOK! WE STAN A GREAT BOI

I’m going to fight Brad

Brad is so right about Lokis character but damn Mobius going to defend him is kinda gay

Why do I feel like Brad is talking directly to me when he’s talking to-

DONT TALK ABOUT FRIGGA I WILL MURDER YOU BRAD

The sass on lokis tone I’m going to cry

Mobius reign in your boyfriend

Loki is scaring me actually

That sounded kinda sexual Loki my man

YOURE RIGHT BRAD

THERAPY

MOBIUS’S PET?

Yeah Mobius who were you

Oh jeez

Mobius is about to flip out

HE FLIPPED

Loki caring for his husband <3

Following each other <3

KISS NOW

THE PIE SCENE

Awe Loki with his little legs crossed he’s so adorable around Mobius

Yeah you lost it baby

Comfort your husband Loki

WASNT TACTICAL??? BABE YOU ATTACKED NYC

Talk about your feelings Mobius

Why would you thank him for kidnapping you Mobius?

Felt that about bad and good lemme tell ya

Would you quit it about Sylvie

OUROBOROS!!!!

Don’t get hurt baby I’ll cry

Uh oh

UH OH

BRAD????

Is he dead?

Aww man he’s alive

Round two of what babe

NEED ANOTHER SESSION???

HARDBALL TACTICS?!!!??!

WHAT ARE THESE WORDS YOURE SAYING

Big machine

He’ll torture you babe

Remembering things for their husband this is cute

Uh oh Loki what are you doing

LOKI STOP IT

LOKI

stop asking about Sylvie for the love of god

ENJOY YOURSELF?!

Mobius you’re so sweet

YEAH BRAD DONT BRING UP A VILLAIN’S MOTHER

Kill him hon maybe we won’t have to deal with his dumb ass

Terrible awful things

He’s lost his shit I love it

Loki please this is going too far

Okay nice we made Brad suffer and Loki is being everything Mobius could want in a boyfriend

Mobius was in on it?!

OB WHAT DO YOU MEAN WERE GONNA DIE

*gasp* OUROBOROS AND CASEY MY NEW OTP

HES FANBOYING

AWWWW BABIES

oh no world is dead

*sings McDonald’s jingle*

Where’s my wife

Awww she’s so proactive I love her so much

NO NO NO NOT SYLKI PLEASE NOT SYLKI

One Unhappy meal please

Talk less Loki

Can Sylvie drive

CORRECT OMG MY WIFE

THIS IS MY BELOVED

Leave her alone Loki please

OH MY GOD MOBIUS IS ON SOME SYLKI HATE

“It’s cinema thank you very much”

Murder

QUICK CHANGE WITH SYLVIE

THEYRE KILLING RVERYTHING

IHOHO MURDER

COMPROMISED OF CIURSE BABY

OH NO

call your boyfriend Casey

Don’t hold hands

uh oh

Bye bye Sylvie :)

Oh she’s back

What are we looking at

Oh no…

Those are people!

Uh oh Sylvie’s angry

I might as well just make a harem of marvel women I want to wife me up

Don’t pull that Sylki bullshit on me

Mobius is sad Loki go comfort him

At least Sylvie had her life

Does she have a friend?

What’s going on between those two?!

I’m so confused

Post credits???

Why not?

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pascaloverx · 1 month

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Forbidden Romance

Summary: You are in love with Prince Thor. He will soon be King and is hosting a ball between Kingdoms so he can find his future bride. Unfortunately, the Kingdom of Asgard is not ready to accept the Chief of the Royal Guard as the new Queen.

Warnings: inappropriate language, use of violence and adult content in the future of fanfic. some characters belong to the Marvel universe and others were created by the author.

chapter two chapter four

Chapter Three

Cursed be Asgard, cursed be Thor, Odin, and all who came before them. You think as soon as you feel your breath grow heavy, thanks to the tight dress you're being forced to wear. Whoever is responsible for you wearing this damn dress will pay.

"My dear, I knew you would look beautiful in this dress. Seeing you tonight, all dressed up for your first formal ball, is like seeing my own daughter." Queen Frigga says as soon as you descend the stairs to the main hall of Asgard's castle. You smile, thinking that she always wanted you to get closer to the royal family, hoping that maybe you could straighten out Loki. To her misfortune, the son who captured your heart was precisely the one who shouldn't have.

"Your Majesty, I believe my attire is inappropriate for my role in this realm. I don't want to be ungrateful, but I am the Chief of the Royal Guard, not…" You speak to the Queen Frigga as you observe the proceedings within the official hall, nobles are dancing and gossiping everywhere. Thor keeps staring at you, even though this ball is about him finding the new queen.

"In the world we live in, no one can afford to be just one thing. You are as much the Chief of the Royal Guard as you are a beautiful woman deserving of the great chance to find a marriage. In fact, a marriage almost as important as that of the Future King. Your purpose, Y/N, is much greater than you imagine." Queen Frigga speaks mysteriously, lightly touching your shoulder before moving towards the other guests at the ball.

As you look ahead, Thor is talking to the Princess of the Kingdom of Elvok, Jane Foster. He seems interested in her. His eyes seem incredibly focused on what she's doing, as if they're following the sway of her dress as they dance almost in front of you. And you had already anticipated that it would be like this.

"You should dance too. Perhaps in the company of a certain Prince Steve, who may or may not have a proposal for you." Steve says behind your ear, sending shivers down your spine, and you look at him angrily.

"You must be responsible for me being dressed like this, aren't you?" You would kill him if you could. He seems to find it amusing as he puts his hand in front of you and guides you to where everyone is dancing with their partners. He deliberately positions himself close to where Thor was dancing with Jane.

"Allow me to say that you look stunning. But yes, I am responsible for you wearing a dress now. In fact, I needed to check if you would be willing." Steve says enigmatically as he guides you in a dance that seems to attract everyone's attention. It must be because you've never been seen in such an informal context before, wearing a dress and dancing with a prince.

"Willing to what?" You ask curiously, trying not to think about what the rest of the hall is doing. Now your complete attention is on your dance with Steve.

"To rule the people of Kyrax with me. Side by side. As my…" Prince Steve just suggested that you become Queen?

"And what about tradition?" You ask as you try to keep up with the dance rhythm, without stumbling. It's obvious that you would like to be the damn Queen. But not Steve's. Not of Kyrax.

"Kyrax wants a Queen with a firm hand who knows how to lead. I want a strong partner. You led Asgard like no one else, no realm that tried to attack Asgard succeeded. Personally, I think Thor should marry you. Since he clearly feels something for you and you would be a perfect Queen. But tough luck for him. I've already proposed this to King Odin." You then stop dancing, looking surprised at Steve.

"Can I think about it, given the fact that you're indirectly asking for my hand in marriage, right?" You ask almost in a whisper. There's a certain dread in the idea of being found out that you've been proposed to.

"You can, and know that I won't do any harm to Asgard if you refuse. Take it for what it is. A man asking you to be his wife." Steve says, ending the dance officially and stepping away. Your eyes scan the hall, searching for Thor. Deep down in your heart, you want to tell him about this and allow yourself to be vulnerable. But he's gone.

"He disappeared with Princess Jane. They've been gone together for a few minutes now. Dad is happy about it; maybe they'll manage to get married tonight. Actually, two weddings. I can't believe you managed to capture the Future Kings of two realms." Loki says, startling you, as he lightly takes hold of your waist to guide you into a new dance. You're too nervous to react to the provocation, so you sigh.

"Let's say I want to know where your brother is specifically, would you take me there?" You ask near Loki's ear, and he firmly holds your hand, guiding you close to Thor's room. That son of a bitch, did he take the princess to his room?

"I'd love to see the show, but someone has to distract the great King Odin. I'll let you deal with your little boyfriend. At least try to cause some damage, to him of course." Loki says, disappearing shortly after, all smiles.

You then gently knock on the door in the way you do when you want to alert Thor that you're about to enter. You then gently knock on the door in the way you do when you want to alert Thor that you're about to enter. You hear noises coming from inside the room and decide to wait not too far away. Jane discreetly exits Thor's room, heading towards the nobles. And then you feel humiliation. Feeling jealous of Thor wouldn't make you better. Currently, the best thing for you is to accept Steve's proposal and forget about Thor and Asgard.

"We need to talk, dove." Thor says, holding your waist and pulling you into the room. Now it seems you're going to have a relationship discussion, and you're not ready for it.

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lokiinmediasideblog · 5 months

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It's just me or Loki stans tend not to care about female character's much? One thing I've noticed about Loki-centric blogs is that some of them have side blorbos, but always male blorbos. They only care about female characters when they have some canon connection to Loki so they can talk about him through talking about her, and only when the connection in question is platonic (Verity, Frigga...). When Loki has a canonically romantic/sexual connection with a woman (Amora, Sylvie, Lorelei, etc) they either demonize her or erase the romantic factor to make them into ~mean queer besties~ like he's her gay bff. There's a difference between disliking het (valid) and erasing the canon dynamic of his relationships with women because the thought of their canon bi fave liking icky women makes them uncomfortable. Face it, Loki fandom: your fave likes boobs and coochie, stop pretending otherwise. You don't have to personally ship het to recognize that some women canonically turn him on and/or matter to him romantically.

I don't think it's unique to Loki stans. It's a misogyny problem that is both based on the biases within fandom and those of the writers. The Loki fandom is far from being the only one that targets a woman love interest so viciously (*cough* ST fandom, I've also heard other Marvel ships are like that too). And I definitely do get annoyed when Loki's bisexuality gets erased because they don't deem the female characters worthy. And yea, they'll always try to make it platonic with women characters. The "these two characters with little shared background that kissed are siblings" shit is so fucking annoying. It's fine if it's not your cup of tea,but pretending they have "sibling energy" is weird.

Writing biases:

S2 gave very little exploration to the female characters. And most Marvel female characters have little depth. Like just look at the Thor movies, we don't know much about Sif (personality is the woman warrior), Frigga(personality is mom), and Jane is just there as love interest for Thor. Valkyrie's interesting but her name isn't given in Ragnarok, and I heard she got sidelined in TLAT, the movie I refuse to watch. Sylvie had decent focus in S1 but was sidelined in S2 and relegated to product placement.

Speaking of the source material, I am not joking when I say many of the female character's characterizations in the comics before maybe the 2010s were nothing but "wanting to fuck Thor." Also, BW was a prime example of Whedon's "empowering" brand of sexualized strong female character and took forever to get her movie after getting unceremoniously fridged.

Granted, I have not kept up-to-date with Marvel movies because I am only interested in Loki and I find a lot of characters annoying, in case the shitty writing conventions for female characters have improved.

Fandom biases:

Fandom can't stomach anything other than saccharine sweetness as a personality for women, especially when they interact with a popular male character. It has been shown that in real life, women are more likely to be seen as rude or bitches for more tame behavior than men.

People claiming that Mobius was "compassionate" for blaming Loki for his mother's death and locking him in a time loop where he's beaten repeatedly, while Sylvie calling him a "clown" was "abusive".

This is interesting and one of the many examples against "abusive women are given a pass" because the "victim" in question is the same Tumblr sexyman, but the woman's non-abusive behavior that makes sense in-context is scrutinized ridiculously and Loki was not hurt physically by it, while Mobius "gave him therapy".

No one can even argue it's because Loki is the Tumblr fandom fave rather than pure fucking misogyny because actual harm to Loki gets passed as being for his own good by a rather vocal portion of fans when it's a man doing it. You'd think the fandom would have lost their shit over one of the OG Tumblr Sexymen being mistreated. But nah. (And yes, I forgave Mobius for risking his skin for Loki in S2, lol. He more than made up for it.).

Also, Sylvie RIGHTFULLY called Mobius out for putting his head in the dirt like a fucking ostrich, and the fandom threw a fit and babied him.

#anon asks #mcu!loki fandom #mcu!loki #mcu!sylvie #marvel critical #loki series critical #mcu critical #hot takes #fandom misogyny #fandom wank

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crimson25 · 9 months

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Fond memories

This one's super sweet. It just came out of nowhere. Hope you like it. 🖤💙💚💜

Peter loved hanging out with Thor. He was like the older brother he never had. Peter had taken it upon himself to acclimate Thor to midgardian things, such as his favorite TV shows, movies, and cartoons. Today was gravity falls. Though the show was for children, Thor thought the show was amusing and he really wanted to know what was behind the magic snack machine. They were on episode 3 headhunters, when Loki walked in. He was about to ask Thor something when the show caught his attention.

Dipper: we're heading into town to interrogate the murderer.

Mable: We have an axe. REE! REE! REE!

Stan: Hmmm this seems like the kind of thing a responsible parent wouldn't want you to do..... Good thing I'm an uncle. AVENGE ME KIDS! AVENGE ME!!!!!!!!

For some reason a memory came flooding into Loki's mind. When Thor and Loki were kids, their mother wouldn't let them play with weapons. When Frigga was gone though, the guards that were in charge of watching them, would sometimes let the boys play with their weapons, bringing them dangerous stuff to play with, and betting on which brother would win in a fight. Sure there were a few emergency trips to the healers but nothing too bad. Loki smiled as he thought fondly about those guards (their names lost to time).

Loki smiling: Thor do you remember those two guards that used to watch us when we were children?

Thor with a big smile forming on his face: you know it's funny brother I was thinking the exact same thing.

Peter: what are you guys talking about.

Loki handing Peter two red and blue daggers: Nothing, go play.

🖤💙💚💜

@mochie85 @michelleleewise @xorpsbane @loki-thou-art-drunk @just-another-blog-of-fluff @writingfics-passingtime @acciotherapists @mystictf @supermarvel-fics @peaches1958 @pics-and-fanfics

#Loki #Thor #peter parker #spiderman #gravity falls #avengers #marvel #dipper pines #mable pines #stan pines

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thot-son-of-odin · 1 year

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I can't decide if fandom's love for Saintly Mother Frigga is a form of generic fandom sexism (Woman Love Kids! Woman Good With Kids! Woman Cannot Not Be Good With Kids!) or for a contrast with Bad Dad Odin or if it's just because everyone decided she's a Loki Stan which of course means she's right about literally everything and loves Blorbo exactly as much as he needs and/or wants her to ❤

I mean, there's a lot of fic that goes along the lines of "Everyone was so mean to Poor Sad Loki! Because they're bad people who don't appreciate him because of their innate badness! But Frigga isn't mean to him, and coincidentally she is the greatest mother OF ALL TIME. To both of her sons, obviously, even though one of them doesn't even DESERVE her love as he is MEAN TO LOKI >:( Oh no, what a horrible, cruel world we live in! WILL NO ONE THINK OF POOR LOKI AND HIS NEEDS??"

I genuinely think it might be because the mcu forgot she had any agency LOL. She doesn’t do much, she doesn’t affect the story in any meaningful way other than dying, and so if you want your favorite little blorbo to have his own supporter (and to contrast with how Odin treats him), frigga is a safe bet. Frigga and Loki interact the most, and you already have that backstory about how she taught him magic.

But literally yeah!!! Saintly mother frigga is so ubiquitous in fandom that it’s hard not to find a fic that so much as mentions frigga without commenting that she’s a wonderful mother who adores Loki and is his greatest supporter and definitely is the best mom ever and never did anything wrong ever. Fandom is more willing to blame Thor (who literally had no idea about Loki’s jotun ness) than Frigga, who knew and lied to him about it.

The amount of fics that condone Frigga being downright abusive to thor because he’s “mean to Loki” should be illegal.

Poor Loki and his needs is coincidentally one of the tropes I despise LOL

#thor #thor and loki #thor cannons #loki

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kleenexwoman · 2 years

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WIP game: Five times Loki flirted with royalty, please?

Here are my assembled royal OCs! It starts out with Sif and ends with Tony Stark (I like my Tony/Loki to have serious theological implications for the future of humanity, thanks). But these are my babes in between.

Princess Skadi, played by Charlize Theron (I know she's Clea now, but I made this graphic before Dr. Strange: Evil Dead). Skadi is a Jotunn princess who comes to Asgard seeking revenge for the death of her father, Thiazi, who was actually trying to kidnap Loki (and bring him back to the Jotunn). Have an excerpt:

Mother and son sailed over fjords of ice one crisp day. The sky was clear and the wind was high, and the snow glittered bright below them. Sharp falcon eyes sought out specks in the snow, and named them.

“I see a white fox chasing a white rabbit,” Loki called to his mother.

“I see the fleas on the rabbit’s fur,” Frigga replied. “What else do you see?”

“I see a reindeer cropping green moss from a gray rock,” Loki said.

“I see the tracks the reindeer left in the snow,” Frigga replied. “What else do you see?”

“I see a feather drifting in the wind,” Loki said, as a single brown feather flew past his eyes.

“What?” Frigga’s falcon eyes rolled back in her head, and then she threw her great wing over Loki’s body. “Hang on!”

“Mother!” Loki turned himself into a spider and scuttled under one of Frigga’s feathers just in time for her to bank sharply. “What’s wrong?”

And it's a pain in the butt for me to italicize or bold on mobile, which is where I do most of my Tumblring from because my laptop is an ancient slow thing. ANYWAY

We have the three Greek gods on the right there. The Greeks invented orgies, the Romans added women. This is pretty much what I imagine Apollo to look like, African and golden. Jack Black just IS Dionysius for me now. I don't have as firm of a vision of Hermes besides that he's a silver haired twink, but this dude was giving off big Bottom Boi Hermes energy. Now, I know that Marvel plays even faster and looser with Greek myths, as they are well within their rights to do, but I'll also be ignoring pretty much all of that. As far as I'm concerned, the Greek gods work pretty similarly to the Norse ones here, they live on Titan and have a dimensional gate to Earth via the Olympus on Earth, and they're a dramatic and incestuous family just like in the myths.

Then there's Logi, who is the Jotunn god of fire. He's often identified with Loki thanks to Wagner, that asshole, but he actually beats Loki in an eating contest at Utgard. By the way, I haven't watched the Dark World and I don't really have immediate plans to do so, so if I'm contradicting anything in it, oh well. I know as much about mythology as the people writing this stuff. Love ya, Stan and Jack. Anyway, while Skadi is not really a goddess in this yet, Logi is a Jotunn god--my headcanon is that godship is named and planned among the Asgardians, whereas Jotunn are just born embodying their deific attributes. So Skadi was named Goddess of the Hunt, Skiing, and Winter for her exceptional skill when she was accepted into Asgard, but Logi, a Jotunn prince, embodies Fire and only Fire as he was born to do. I also have Utgart-Loki in here, who is Odin's old BFF from back when Asgard was just a mead-hall and Odin was allied with some of the Jotunn clans. As you can see, I'm giving some of Myth Loki's attributes and stories to him where they wouldn't make sense for MCU Loki.

Finally, we have Emperor Joseph Norton II. This part in the story is where I pay homage to my lady Eris. She drags Loki to the March on the Pentagon. I have to make this political, right? I always do. Hail Discordia!

#loki

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ao3feed-thor · 2 years

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all it takes (is patience)

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/Nr3zmUo

by Pip (prism_of_naljo)

The situation is one of the few instances of Loki being indelibrate. He hadn't meant anything by it but charity- to provide you, so desperate to learn magic, with a few resources to nudge you in the right direction.

But he finds himself here, a fresh young sorcerer enamoured by the idea of asking you to be his first ever apprentice.

Words: 3826, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, Thor (Movies), Loki (TV 2021)

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: F/M

Characters: Loki, Loki (Marvel), Thor (Marvel), Reader, Odin (Marvel), Frigga | Freyja (Marvel)

Relationships: Loki (Marvel)/Reader, Loki & Thor (Marvel), Fandral & Hogun & Loki & Sif & Thor & Volstagg (Marvel), Frigga & Loki, Frigga | Freyja & Loki (Marvel), Frigga | Freyja & Loki & Thor (Marvel)

Additional Tags: Slow Burn, slooooowwwww slow burn, Eventual Smut, i'll change the rating when we get to the smut, Pre-Thor (2011), loki tries to be a good prince, Loki is a Good Bro (Marvel), loki is sly and mischievous, we stan a happy lil trickster god in this house, basically canon compliant, I Wrote This Instead of Sleeping, nice warm slow burn, burn so slow it would not melt a jotunn, Eventual Romance, reader's physical looks are not defined, No use of y/n, Reader-Insert, anyway basically loki takes the reader on as an apprentice, And stuff ensues, reader has undiagnosed Issues, sleeping problems and anxiety, did I mention this is self indulgent?, this is self indulgent

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/Nr3zmUo

#IFTTT #ao3feed #fanfic #thor

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thetimelordbatgirl · 2 years

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I keep seeing people defending Aunt May saying the power and responsibility line and getting fridged as an example of how MCU!Spidey is superior to the Raimi and Webb films bc 'We don't care when Uncle Ben dies bc he's barely a character, but the MCU's origin is more powerful bc we really get to know her over several films', and it's so frustrating when (a) it's still killing off a woman to further a boy/man's development and pain; (b) he already supposedly knew about power and responsibility from implied tragedy with his lines in Civil War anyway, so it's a retread; (c) Aunt May was barely a character beyond a joke where she keeps getting sexually harassed by men, and it's funny~ bc Aunt May is old and unsexy in the comics, aren't comics stupid, haha!!

It's also like, these people will say the MCU was superior not to do an origin story again, which I agree with (though I don't think the MCU handled the implied origin well), but then also praise the MCU for doing a three-film origin story, sometimes in the same post, like, make up your mind lol

I....What??? Uncle Ben is barley a character??? He literally does appear in the film, do they not know that??? And in his appearance, we saw him as someone who cares about his family and is clearly a father figure to Peter, something that comes up again in the final battle ("I had a father....his name was Benjamin Parker"), and his death is shown throughout the films to impact Peter to the point the third film was about his killer who Peter in the end, chooses to forgive and help in some sense- like so sorry to MCU stans, that Uncle Ben wasn't some hot joke who quips, so sorry to them.

But if they wanna use the several films BS argument with May, let's seeeee: She appears in Civil War first....where she's a hot joke for Tony.....she then next appears in Homecoming, maybe has some character finally with Peter and caring about him...BUT WE NEED THOSE AUNT MAY IS HOT JOKES STILL WITH THREE MALES HITTING ON HER, she appears in Endgame....but only at the funeral of Tony, no reunion with Peter even shown, and she appears in Far From Home....only for the first bit though....and they throw her and Happy together as well and well, we know she dies in No Way Home- but sure, her death is soooo powerful and not just MCU fridging their fourth female now. Like its even on the wall when the two Peter's motivate MCU Peter with fighting in May's honor like....THIS IS FRIGGA ALL OVER AGAIN.

And like, lets be real, MCU don't even keep track of continuity, just ask Wanda and Shuri whose ages vary across films and novels of the films and people on the films and even What If...?, but MCU didn't really do the quote right so guess they use that as an excuse, let alone only mentioning Uncle Ben in Zombies but MCU Peter contributed nothing to the discussion of Uncle Ben, so that should tell you all that needs to be known about MCU Uncle Ben. Ironic MCU claims aunt may being old is uncool, but under Disney, you got Ultimate Spiderman where she was cool and still was old and even dated Phil at some point and then you got Spiderverse where Aunt May is still old but a fucking badass and lets be real, she and Liv dated at some point, a reference to the comics where Aunt May almost married Doc Ock.....almost like the MCU is ageist while everything else is cool with Aunt May the way she is.

Honestly, the fact that they introduced Peter in CIVIL WAR was already a bad call for a implied origin, let alone how they handled it, and they literally spent the next films doing whatever....only to throw Peter back to stage one for No Way Home, like....that ain't a three film origin story, that's a mess of a story really.

#anti mcu #mcu critical #no way home spoilers #nwh spoilers #like aunt may is too awesome for the mcu to handle so they reduce her to this #and its sooo bad

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justarandomgirly · 2 years

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Loki stans:

Before the series: if there isnt Lady Loki there is no point in making the series

After series with no Lady Loki: well, Sylvie is female Loki variant so thats enough

Before the series: if Jotun Loki isnt there Im rioting

After series with no Jotun Loki: well but he was in What if

Before the series: if Frigga isnt there Im sueing Marvel

After series where there was no Frigga: but Loki talked about her!

Before the series: let him use his magic finaly!

After series with almost no magic: but classic Loki used magic/but its only season finale there is season 2 Im sure he will use it there

Before series: if Loki doesnt have male love interest, Im sueing Marvel

After the series where he had only female love interest: but he said little bit of both and we created Lokius in our heads, that is incredible bi representation

Need I go on?

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nikkoliferous · 3 years

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It's occurred to me that Mobius is basically a mashup of Odin and Thanos. Like Odin, he's being hero-coded and presented as a "rescuer" of sorts (not to mention he all but quotes Odin directly with stuff like "everywhere you go, it's just death, destruction, the literal end of worlds"). And like Thanos, he's enslaving Loki and forcing him to do his bidding under pain of death.

Which is weird af to me, because most fans hate both Odin and Thanos but mix them up in a blender and apparently we stan.

There's a dash of Frigga in there as well, I suppose, in that Mobius plays the part of the "good" cop as well as the bad cop. But still. Odd. It's like people are stanning him based on what they want/expect him to be rather than what he actually is.

#and just to be clear people are 100% allowed to stan mobius or any other character they choose #my point isn't that everyone needs to hate mobius #it's just that i don't understand the logic behind hating odin and thanos but loving mobius #when they're kinda all cut from the same cloth #as dr house would say #'it's an anomaly. anomalies bug me.'#loki tv series #mobius m mobius shut tf up challenge 2k21 #odin's a+ parenting #frigga's b+ parenting #thanos #mcu #loki spoilers

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people-will-definitely-talk · 3 years

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A general review of Loki (2021) - !! possible spoilers ahead !!

(If you told my Scandinavia-and-Marvel-obsessed twelve years old self in 2011 that ten years later I would have been doing this she would have laughed in your face, and yet here I am.)

Until very recent times Loki stans were probably the only part of the mcu fandom that agreed on everything. That is, until the show came out. Now everywhere you turn on the internet there is discourse about wether it was good or bad, people arguing that that is not “our Loki” (tf man) so here I am with my own review.

Premise n.1: I am going to be as objective as I can because my field of studies is compared literatures a.k.a. I’ve studied penty of cinematic and theatral critique and, not gonna lie, the weak ass reviews I’ve read till now are all based on the writer’s personal preferences and therefore are fucking useless, so I’ll specify with a bold “personally” my own preferences as a fan.

Premise n.2: norse mythology also is my field of studies so I do have sources for those bits (ngl I’m so fucking delighted I chose to write my dissertation on Loki’s trickster archetype rn) but, but, here’s also a friendly reminder that Marvel’s Loki is only inspired by the mythological one and not a perfect copy of him

Premise n.3: with a second season coming, which is not really a second season but the continuation of the first (for those who don’t know: it was originally supposed to be only one 12-episode-long series but they had to split it because of the virus and shit), what people are doing is basically coming to conclusions without having the whole picture and that’s like a load of bs, especially if you are aware that the story is not fucking over yet. That being said, my review takes into account this.

So sit tight and buckle your seatbelts kids, cause it’s gonna be a long one.

Is Loki a masterpiece? no, there are lots of things that could have been changed or taken off the show without actually having to change the whole storyline.

But is it the worst show in the history of shows? aw hell no.

First of all, we need to place the characterisation he had in the movies:

- Loki causes mischief (Thor’s ruined coronation) but in doing so he does damage to himself too (finds out he’s adopted, cue huge breakdown) so he tries to do good (in his mind, by killing Lufey) then he “dies” (lets go after the fight on the Bifrost), then in a quick parenthesis he returns as a villain to the Avengers, loses the battle, and is brought back to Asgard. In TDW, he causes mischief (tells the Kursed the way to the stairs) but in doing so he does damage to himself (the Kursed kills Frigga) so he tries to do good (help Thor get revenge for their mother) then he dies. He returns once again revealing a fake death and causes mischief (imprisons Odin) but in doing so he does damage to himself too (Odin’s death frees Hela) so he tries to do good (helps Thor on Sakaar) then he dies once again, this time definitely. Notice a pattern?

That, my friends, is called a huge pain in the ass to write for your dissertation trickster sequence or trickster cycle. It’s a particular sequence that has it’s roots in the mythical Loki, one of the “original” trickster archetypes: basically, the trickster turns a situation upside down for his own benefit but in doing so begins a chain reaction that keeps on going as a cycle of mischief-benefits-negative side effects. An example of a trickster sequence in the myths that I luckily still had in my notes:

Trickster characters are really, really hard to write and characterize because of this, as there are only three alternatives:

1- The trickster dies, a definitive way to put an end to the cycle

2- The trickster keeps on repeating the unending cycle, thus becoming a really flat, boring and predictable character

3- The most difficult one (but also the most effective to get out of the cycle), an archetype switch. That means starting to write a long journey through which the character reaches another archetype, i.e. that of the Hero.

Of course after three turns of the cycle the marvel authors used the first option, killing off Loki, only to have a show about a version of him (from the Avengers movie) that had only gone through one cycle. Thus they had option two a.k.a turning the God of Mischief into possibly the flattest and most boring character ever, or option three a.k.a. the archetype switch. Guess which one they chose.

Many people think that the switch has been made to the archetype of the Hero and are angry for it because “it’s not our Loki” (which btw is total bullshit because the Loki from the show is similar to the one of the Thor movies, if we had to pick an impostor that would be the Loki from the Avengers which has a completely different characterisation from the others and is the only actual one that’s a villain whereas in TDW+Ragnarok he’s a helper and in Thor is neither one nor the other) but that is definitely not it. Personally, I couldn’t see yet any defining trait of a particular archetype so for that we’ll have to wait for season 2 (as I’ve already said, it would be unfair coming to conclusions without having the whole picture), though I’m one ninety-nine percent sure he’s not switching to the Hero one.

Now, on to the show’s characterisation.

- One thing I’ve seen a lot of is talk of “he’s so dumb, he’s not the cunning and smart Loki we know” and “ew Sylvie x Loki” (personally the selfcest ship also makes me icky, ngl) but boi lemme tell you something: it’s been said more than once that Sylvie as a character was added in stead of Amora the Enchantress, as a mix of Female Loki and, indeed, Amora herself. After the season finale personally I’m starting to think that she is indeed just Amora, but be it just her or a mix of her and Female Loki there is one thing that I feel like reminding: Amora literally enchants men to fall in love with her, so she can use them. Again, I can’t critique the show as a whole without season 2 being out yet, but let’s keep in mind that it is still a possibility, especially now that we know that in the last episode she did kiss Loki just to get to Kang.

- The catalyst for the archetype switch was in my opinion a bit too fast, but that was maybe the most effective way to do it. Why? Well, the only really good way to actuate it is a long arc, an arc for which the show definitely did not have enough run time for. So the producers got really smart, I’ll have to admit, and got the chance to use what was set up for them in Endgame with the fact that the Loki of the show is a past version, a variant: they showed the variant what would happen to him. If you were shown the things that were in the file, the death of your mother, your father, yourself, possibly your brother, (the file has never shown that Thor’s actually alive and well so it is safe to assume that show-Loki thinks that his brother is also dead), all of your race, wouldn’t your psyche be totally changed as a result of not only shock, but also of grief? And if you felt all of that while in an unfamiliar and hostile place, wouldn’t you attach yourself to the first familiar thing (Sylvie) too?

- In my opinion, another catalyst for the switch is the presence of Mobius. As I’ve said: shock plus grief plus being stuck in an unfamiliar and hostile place. The in comes the one person who is at least decent to you and it is again only natural to get attached, so when that person tells you that a villain is not all you are, and that you can be whatever you decide to be, you do start believing it yourself.

And at last, the LGBT+ rep:

- As a bi person who’s grown up with the mcu, you can imagine my joy in knowing that now Loki’s not only canon bi in the comics, but in the mcu too. I’ve read however many people lamenting that it’s only said, not shown, and honestly: same. But at the same time I’d like to raise awareness to the fact that it’s not probably the producer’s fault. I actually think they had to put lots of pressure on the studios to make him canon bi like in the comics, but in the end the last word is not theirs, it’s the higher ups at Disney’s. So yeah, was that just the bare fucking minimum? definitely. Should we be angry with the producers? hell naw.

Point is, Disney as a society thinks of the money they can get by producing media, and when there are still countries in the world in which being lgbt+ is a crime, that would not buy disney’s products knowing that there is actual rep in there, that would be bad for business. So they did what they could get away with, a.k.a. “a bit of both” dialogue, that can easily be dubbed as a different one in countries that don’t want the rep.

Personally I am disappointed but not surprised, yet at the same time I can see as the huge step that is having a disney character that is officially canonically lgbt+, and who knows, maybe that will pave the way for others.

However, I think that the only thing we can do is just settle with that. Why?

These were the most controversial points of the show (the other one is another load of bullshit cause you can’t go around yelling “The finale is unclear! Where did Renslayer go? The show sucks!” if a second season has been confirmed. It’s called a cliffhanger honey, look it up.), and most of them can only be solved definitely by waiting for s2, but on the whole the show is definitely not bad. Have you seen the photography? Have you seen the acting levels? The costume and make up? The fucking amazing Loki variants? It’s all really well done and the show as a whole does not deserve all the hate that it’s getting because of three unresolved points.

That being said, see ya’ll at season 2!

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work-your-loki · 3 years

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I cant stand the loki stan accounts that are like “well maybe I would like Mobius if he actually acknowledged Loki’s trauma instead of blaming everything, like Frigga dying, on him” like please learn the difference between the character and bad writing…

They wouldn't like Mobius no matter what he did. They don't like Frigga, Odin, Thor, Sylvie, basically any character who's ever interacted with Loki and not immediately fallen to their knees and declared him flawless. It's like they have a limited amount of empathy that only extends to Loki, and no other character is ever allowed have complex emotions and motivations.

I wouldn't mind them, cause I never want to police how other people experience fandom, if they didn't occasionally show up in the tags with their faux concern about toxic relationships and abuse and all that nonsense, pretending to be the arbiters of truth, to quote Loki himself, and acting like we don't understand the story as well as they do.

The funniest thing of all is that they just choose to ignore how similar they are to Mobius. He too, like them, has spent countless hours studying Loki's life, analyzing him, making excuses for him, empathizing and falling in love with him. Only, instead of coddling him, he ended up saying "Here's what's good about you, here's what sucks, if you're willing to work on that, I'm in your corner." Which is, you know, a healthier approach.

So that's my armchair conclusion and sweeping generalization: they hate him because they can't be him.

#like legitimate criticism of Mobius is fine #I'm willing to hear you out and even agree #but if you call him a fascist and compare him to pierce or thanos I'm out

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nascha-lokisdottir357 · 2 years

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I have had an epiphany about Natasha Romanoff!

(btw, I’m stupid and people probably pointed this out already)

So we all know Nat goes by many names and identities like:

Natasha Romanoff

Natalie Rushman

Fanny Longbottom

Natalia Romanova etc.

Now, the identity of Natalie Rushman was used whilst she was working for SHIELD and we’ll leave the other one as an inside joke. The other two identities seem to have been made by either herself or the Red Room. The names made by these others are Natasha Romanoff and Natalia Romanova.

We don’t know what her birth name was, as Yelena said, the Red Room destroys all of the girl’s birth certificates when they are taken or sold as baby’s/toddlers.

So obviously she’d need a name like everyone else.

Is it a coincidence that her name is similar to her ‘mothers’?

Natasha Romanoff

Melina Vostokoff

And her sister’s?!

Natalia Romanova

Yelena Belova

At the same FRICKING TIME?

I am so confused because little bits of info keep trying to connect with other things in my head that would make no sense to a person without inside knowledge.

Anyway that’s all!

Again, people are way more intelligent than me so they’ve probably realised this already!

-The Introverted GenZ that would happily let Loki walk over their back, wearing sharpened stilettos and has already planned 8 separate funerals, down to the flower arrangements, for themselves, decided by the way they will inevitably die.

RIP List (It’ll get longer)

Natasha Romanoff

Stan Lee

Chadwick Boseman

Tony Stark

Pietro Maximoff

Billy & Tommy

Vision x3

Loki Friggason (I still have hope☀️)

Frigga Allmother

Yondu

Airman Forest

Those soldiers that died in Iron Man 1

Eventually Steve Rodgers

Heimdall

Yinsen

Original Gamora

Groot

Peggy Carter

The Ancient One

Agent Phil Coulson

Maria Rambeau

Maria Stark

Possibly MJ & Ned

All but one of the Valkyries

That ex-Widow that saved Yelena

Lady Sif

Hogun

Volstagg

Fandral

Most of Asgard

The Maximoffs

(Sorry to the dead I didn’t include)

#yelena belova #natasha romanoff #natasha romanova #melina vostokoff #red room #dreycov #marvel #MCU #stanleebewithyou #rip

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lokigodofaces · 3 years

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i watched a youtube video that was a therapist talking about Loki. didn't finish it, and i didn't agree with all his points. this therapist isn't a huge Loki stan, he's more of a casual fan that just likes movies in general and has these videos analyzing both heroes and villains as a way to encourage people to get help if they need it, which i respect a lot. so yeah there were things in canon he missed that are more subtle, but i appreciate him trying to analyze Loki and the message he tries to spread with these videos. but here are some things he said in the first half i watched.

he's a family therapist, so he's had several times where parents waited an extremely long time to tell they're child they're adopted (or other information that is deemed important but the parents want to protect their child). it never goes well. the video went on and on complimenting the scene where Loki finds out he's adopted and Jotun. because it is extremely emotional and this sort of thing is a very real thing that happens and can be devastating.

he talked about the difference between mischief and malice. sometimes those are treated as the same thing in regards to Loki when they are not. mischief isn't meant to harm, malice is. he talked about how early thor 1 & before, Loki was mischievous. then the events of thor 1 lead him to be malicious. i was impressed because really the amount of times i've seen stuff calling loki a malicious child.

he suggested mischief could have possibly been a way Loki looked for attention as a kid since he was in Thor's shadow.

he went less into whether Odin was purposely a bad parent and all and talked more about how lots of parents make the mistakes he did with good intentions. because he makes these videos to encourage his viewers getting help if needed, i really respect that choice actually.

he talked about nature v nurture. he said that while nature definitely plays a role in everything, nurture is very prevalent in Loki's story. Loki could naturally be mischievous, but it was nurture that brought malice, that brought the pain Loki felt.

he said that if Odin and Frigga had explained where Loki came from when he was a kid and that he was still loved, he likelihood of the thor movies happening is very low. & this is where some of my disagreements come, because i don't think Odin and Frigga really did care for Loki in a healthy way. but, this guy isn't a huge stan, some of the subtle stuff goes over his head, i get it. and he's speaking from his experiences as a family therapist where, yeah, things would have worked out better if the parents had told their kids information instead of hiding it from them. but as a general rule, he said that we should try to tell kids as young as possible. we might not be able to tell them all of it in detail, and they might gain more knowledge as they get older and can understand more, but hiding information is good for no one. and that was helpful to me because i do want to adopt and the part about telling my adopted kid(s) they're not my biological child(ren) is scary to me because that must be a heartbreaking thing to hear and gosh i don't even have any kids yet, i'm not anywhere in my life where i can have kids yet, and i'm tearing up because i don't want my hypothetical children to go through pain and sorrow. so yeah that just stood out to me more.

so i don't agree with everything but i really respect this guy now & need to finish the video ASAP.

#loki laufeyson #thor (2011)#the avengers (2012)#those were the 2 main talking points #cinema therapy #i think that was the channel but idk

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