#team ironman

[going2hell4everythingbutbeingbi]

captain america civil war posts: "if you're team ironman you suck" *sounds of rioting from the notes*

batman v superman posts: "if you liked this movie you suck" *shouts of agreement from the notes*

#marvel #mcu #cacw #ca:cw #dcu #dc #dc comics #marvel comics #captain america civil war #team ironman #team cap #batman v superman #bvs #captain america #steve rogers #clark kent #bruce wayne #batman #superman #tony stark #ironman #iron man

[askatrigenderlgbt]

Team Captain v.s. Team Ironman

I've been wanting to write this for a little while, but I wanted to do some rewatching and research on the topic again.

This is my view on the topic of who was right, and who was wrong.

My answer? They were both right.

Let me explain:

Tony, after all the damage done that leads to this conflict, wants and does sign the accords. He wants the Avengers to be held accountable for the damages they cause and to have some restrictions so supers can't do anything they want willy nilly. He has the point here. People need rules and structure to avoid anarchy and chaos, to avoid things just ending up a mess.

Steve didn't want to sign the accords because his point was that the avengers couldn't be held down waiting for the green light, not when lives were at stake. His argument is made further when you take in the question of: 'who could actually hold this power?' Hydra invaded SHEILD, the government isn't safe either, and lord knows how corrupt politics are anyway. Hell, after Thanos snapped the government had to go make a consensus. Nobody could hold the avengers when lives were on the line.

Steve and Tony are both right. But they end up also being wrong too.

Tony is blinded by his overwhelming guilt at this point. After all he lost, the new trauma, and dealing with everything, Tony is hyper focused on redemption here. He wants to make up for the things he did, for the people lost in the cross fire. But he ends up not seeing the issues presented to him about signing the accords.

Signing the accords is a problem because, like I talked about with Steve's point, no one can simply have a leash on the heros. If they have to wait then people die, if they are leashed then Hydra would have been pulling the strings. Hydra invaded SHEILD and the government, if they pulled the strings then it's over. Not to mention that the person pushing the accords is General Ross, the man who hunted down Bruce to use him- to make the super soldier serum. General Ross is not an ally, he is a threat.

Steve was also wrong too. Avengers can't have full freedom to do whatever they please. Having powers being used recklessly and causing unnecessary damages to surroundings isn't a good thing. It's a risk to the people he wants to protect.

So Both are right and wrong. Mainly cause this conflict is complex, when you see the risks and factors of why things couldn't work one way or the other. But also remember, this is a conflict created by design too. Zemo had a part to play in this issue. Playing the game just right that would cause the leaders of the avengers to reach a boiling point on the argument that they split.

What I personally feel is that because of the trauma, pain, and exhaustion the two of them were dealing with when the accords were just presented that they were even in a good healthy mindset to even begin dealing with any of it. Both were stressed, dealing with issues on all sides, and couldn't see past the black and white view of absolutes. Steve and Tony were stuck on a chest board as pawns and both were fighting to win. Only we know how this ends up going.

I am Team Captain America AND Team Iron Man.

Cause in the end they are still a team, and I don't pick sides of my team- I choose all of them.

Bonus~

As an added part to this post I wanted to share my thoughts on Steve lying to Tony about his parents. It was wrong and unjustified, yes but I'm not talking about that. That is a simple fact. I want to explain my view on Steve's reasoning for this decision: He wanted to protect both friends of his. He wanted to protect Bucky cause he was brainwashed and innocent, he didn't want him hurt or kill for it. He wanted to protect Tony cause already he was traumatized, beaten, and utterly exhausted from so much happening. He didn't want Tony to have another thing on his mind that could potentially cause him to snap a part.

In the end it didn't matter, Tony finds out and everything falls from there. Steve here, from my pov, is the people who have the purest intentions and want the best for us, but end up making decisions that only harm us in the end unintentionally. When we make choice that we think help, but don't.

In conclusion: Do I think one or the other is wrong? No, both are right and wrong for their own reasons- making the answer a more complicated discussion.

Do I think Steve or Tony deserves the bashing they get from either side of the conflict? No. They are fundamentally human characters who wanted to do the right thing but were blinded by their own issues and too twisted and turned to properly communicate things.

Should either one be hated for these choices they made? No. They made the choice they did but in the end worked to fix what had been ripped apart, doing their best to mend that scar. They were adults about it and made up while finally having a more healthier mental state to deal with everything.

Are both still my favorite characters and ship? Fuck yes.

#marvel #tony stark #steve rogers #stony #avengers assemble #avengers emh #team cap #team iron man #team captain #team ironman #marvel mcu

[moti032]

This is my first post on ao3.You should definitely read it! I really worked hard on my English translations!

#tony stark #ironman #mcu #marvel #mcu tony stark #the avengers #captain america #doctor strange #strangeiron #steve x tony #stevetony #stony #avengers assemble cartoon #team ironman #bottom tony #nick fury #ironstrange #aa tony stark #aa #steve rogers

[nerdyfangirlmel]

Does anybody know where to find and read the sokovia accords? I thought marvel released that I think but I can’t find it and I wanna know like exactly what it says.

(This is what happens when you start taking policy and legal classes and now you want to analyze fictional policies)

#marvel shows #sokovia accords #captain america #tony stark #ironman #team ironman #team cap #steve rogers #the avengers #avengers #mcu #mcu sokovia accords #gotta put that education to goodnuse somehow

[the-martyrfication-of-the-matron]

Men will really be Tatewives trying to argue with me about why team Ironman was ‘actually in the right’.

#yes tatewives was inspired by snapewives #this is tumblr I need to make references to tumblr events to be seen as valid here #mcu #marvel #team Ironman #team cap

[marvel-lous-guy]

Tony: What the hell was that!?

Peter: A calculated risk

Tony: YOU ALMOST BLEW YOURSELF UP!

Peter: I SAID IT WAS CALCULATED! I NEVER SAID I WAS GOOD AT MATH!

Tony: Well it was implied!

#they were doing team training #they split into two teams and had to fight until everyone was down #peter decided to try some new webs #they were laced with gunpowder #and would blow up #blinding his opponents #and also almost blowing him up #but thats a minor detail #peter parker #spiderman #irondad #ironman #tony stark #incorrect tony stark quotes #marvel #marvel cinematic universe #incorrect mcu quotes #incorrect mcu #marvel incorrect quotes #incorrect quotes #mcu #incorrect peter parker #avengers

[wingitbold]

A Random Rainy Night:

Peter: *Enters completely drenched & shivering*

Tony: Underoos!! *starts screaming & pampering him*

*While making cold chocolate to warm up his little spiderling*

Tony: Why didn't you swing in your suit? It would have saved you from resembling a kicked & drenched puppy.

Peter: *pouts* I am not a puppy

Peter: Also, it’s a million dollar worth suit, Mr. Stark. Couldn't get it wet

Tony: astonished, slackjawed, flabbergasted

Tony: Is my age catching upto me or did you actually took a nose dive into a freaking lake with that suit?

Peter: oh! It was waterproof?!

Tony: Flabbergasted Stark

#peter parker #tony stark #iron man #mcu spiderman #ironman #team tony stark #tom holland #irondad #incorrect quotes #incorrect marvel quotes #incorrect spiderman quotes #incorrect mcu quotes #spider son #spiderman #spidey #irondad and spiderson #spiderson #incorrect irondad quotes #incorrect avengers quotes

[madeofiron]

Stupid marketing has me drinking way too much sugar

#tony stark #mcu #tony stark defense squad #marvel #iron man #protect tony stark #ironman #madeofiron #tony stark protection squad #team iron man #rdj #avengers

[ifandomus]

Well, no wonder why they supported Tony and the Sokovia Accords; they don't see the enhanced characters as human beings either.

#mcu #anti tony stans #anti tony stark #anti ironman #anti team ironman #anti sokovia accords #pro team cap #pro steve rogers #steve rogers

[wolfrunner25]

I went to the Geek Craft Expo on Saturday. There was a fellow there who takes toys and does photos of them and tries to make it look real. He had superheroes and Star wars just to name a little bit of what he does. I picked this up and I love it. Now I just need a frame for it.

#ironman tonystark #team iron man #ironman #tony stark

[nataliaxalianovnaxxx]

In response : Warning, lots of facts.

The Accords were most definitely created to take away rights. I don't know how whether or not someone is American has anything to do with their view point. How is the removal of due process not an infringement or the removal of basic human rights? So because they were made by the UN, they're safe? Didn’t the government try to nuke New York? Weren’t they the same ones with Hydra running around inside? The minute you start targeting a specific group of people, it's a problem.

Let me just break down the Accords real quick:

Any enhanced individuals who agree to sign must register with the United Nations and provide biometric data such as fingerprints and DNA samples. Those with secret identities must reveal their legal names and true identities to the United Nations. Those with innate powers must submit to a power analysis, which will categorize their threat level and determine potential health risks. Those with innate powers must also wear tracking bracelets at all times.

Fingerprints? DNA? Tracking bracelets? How invasive.

I’m sure this can fall under the fourth amendment (the right of the people of the US to feel secure in their homes, and of possessions, without fear of ‘unreasonable searches and seizures’).

Any enhanced individuals who sign are prohibited from taking action in any country other than their own unless they are first given clearance by either that country's government or by a United Nations subcommittee. Governments are forbidden from deploying enhanced individuals outside of their own national borders unless those individuals are given clearance as described above. The same rule also applies to non-government organizations that operate on a global scale (including S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers).

Any enhanced individuals who do not sign will not be allowed to take part in any police, military, or espionage activities, or to otherwise participate in any national or international conflict, even in their own country. As a corollary, they will not be allowed to participate in any active missions undertaken by private or governmental law enforcement/military/intelligence organizations (such as S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers).

Sounds like coercion to me.....which is illegal.

Any enhanced individuals who use their powers to break the law (including those who take part in extralegal vigilante activities), or are otherwise deemed to be a threat to the safety of the general public, may be detained indefinitely without trial. If an enhanced individual violates the Accords, or obstructs the actions of those enforcing the Accords, they may likewise be arrested and detained indefinitely without trial.

So, what exactly is defined as an extralegal activity? What if someone has it out for an enhanced individual and turns them in? Then what? This is a direct violation of the Sixth Amendment (The right of all citizens of the US to a speedy and fair trial)

It’s also in direct violation of the eighth amendment (A ban on extreme punishments for crime, with a focus on ‘cruel and unusual’, and on excessive fines or bail.

The use of technology to bestow individuals with innate superhuman capabilities is strictly regulated, as is the use and distribution of highly advanced technology (such as Asgardian and Chitauri weaponry). The creation of self-aware artificial intelligence is completely prohibited.

The Avengers will no longer be a private organization and will operate under the supervision of the United Nations.

Tell me again how this isn’t a violation of human rights?

Just because someone is part of the majority, doesn't mean they're correct, some of ya’ll are way too old to not know that 🥴 Steve actually did read the Accords, in fact, in the movie, he's the only one who was shown to be reading them. Look below. I guess he’s reading the dinner menu from Olive Garden or something 

Tony Stark was in charge of that company from age 21. He was responsible for what was happening and he should've been paying better attention to what was going on in HIS company. Why do Tony Stans feel the need to defend some forty year old man who should know better?

He DID manufacture weapons. He admitted to that over the course of his films, to claim otherwise is willfully ignorant. 

War Profiteer - Any person or organization that derives profit from warfare or by selling weapons and other goods to parties at war. Hmm 🧐, it seems as if you're the one who doesn't actually know the definition of the words. Because that's EXACTLY what Tony did. I mean, did you forget the big 'ol Stark Industries logo on the bomb that nearly killed him? On the one that killed Wanda’s parents? How do you think he made his fortune? 

He never made fun of anyone's trauma? He was the same dude that called Steve 'Capsicle', Bucky the 'Manchurian Candidate', he tried to get Bruce to turn into the Hulk on the helicarrier... And he didn't create BARF, Quentin Beck did and he stole his work. Once again, explained in the movies.

Ultron was from the framework of Tony's mind, again, explained in the movies. The movie also explained that Thor allowed him to STUDY the mind stone, not USE it. Tony went behind everyone's back and coerced Bruce into helping him create Ultron. What did Thor and Wanda have to do with that? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own actions. It upsets a lot of Tony Stans, but he was wrong. Get over it.

Are you a troll? Because none of what you're saying makes any sense. You know what they say about intentions? Tony was wrong to create Ultron. We're all willingly blind, but you're the one who isn't using facts.

Please do tell what laws Steve Rogers broke 🙄. Steve was an actual Captain as evident on his military uniform and how was he not a soldier? Because YOU said so? Dude fought in WWII and now he's not a soldier? Ha! Him refusing to sign the Accords was noble and in the end, the correct decision, there's nothing arrogant about protecting the little guy. I guess Peter Parker is arrogant, too. And by the way, the same Accords that you're backing, guess who actually broke them? Your golden boy, Tony ☺️ He wasn’t even supposed to be in Siberia, they should’ve thrown him in the Raft and ate the key. He's never been about accountability. Only arrogance, selfishness and greed. It's funny you say that Cap is the reason other countries fear the US, but actually, it's the billionaire, war profiteer that went over to Middle East and started murdering people because he wanted to. Oops. When Thanos came along, who did the people want help from? The same Avengers they wanted arrested two years prior.

Tell me, if he was so about accountability? Why isn’t he in prison? Why did he create these glasses (as seen above)? Why did he shoot Sam unprovoked? Why did he continue to make weapons? Why did he sit around for five years and do nothing? Why did he bring Peter to Germany? Why did he try to kill Bucky instead of finding Hydra? Why did he push his company off on Pepper? Why didn’t he call Steve before it was too late? Why did he expose Clint’s family?

Don’t come on here and swear at me and disrespect me. I don’t like it, it’s not cute. I am more than willing to have a discussion as long as it remains respectful.

#anti ironman #anti tony stark #anti tony stans #anti team ironman #anti sokovia accords #anti accords #anti irondad #pro Bucky Barnes #pro clint barton #pro steve rogers #pro captain america #pro team cap

[beaniibunzz]

🌶️ tag yourself what bean father figure are you

#kai drew and bean power hour #the kai drew and bean power hour #bean #guardians of the galaxy #the guy who didn't like musicals #tgwdlm #ironman #tony stark #peter quill #starlord #sam and max #sam and max freelance police #sam and max freelance husbands #paul matthews #team starkid #THEYRE ALL SO SILLY

[moti032]

Two chapters have been posted.

AA Clint meets MCU Tony🥰

#tony stark #ironman #mcu #marvel #mcu tony stark #the avengers #captain america #aa #avengers assemble cartoon #stony #clint barton #hawkeye #sam wilson #civil war #cw #team ironman

[breckstonevailskier]

Source

#pro team cap #anti team ironman #anti tony stark #cacw #anti sokovia accords #wanda maximoff #clint barton #steve rogers #scott lang #sam wilson #scarlet witch #falcon #hawkeye #ant man #vision #t'challa #black panther

[pandadude55]

first post but i just saw this on a youtube video about how tony was a terrible person. like why post this on the video when u know the people seeing it would be people who don't like tony. also like all of these points can be easily debunked cause they don't make any sense at all. this person is acting like everything good n progressive that happened in the mcu was down to tony n no one else did anything productive which is not true as well. i just don't understand the point of this comment so enjoy looking at this :)

#anti tony stark #anti tony stans #anti ironman #anti team iron man #what goes through their brains when writing things like this #i will never understand iron man/tony stark fans i swear #have fun experiencing the mental damage i went through guys #honestly made me laugh tbh #pro team cap #pro captain america #please someone debunk these so i don't have to pls im begging

[stevesbigbazoxngas]

"BOTH sides in Civil War were wron--" [GUNSHOT]

#tell me how you have 5 minutes #im so serious how is team cap saying 'the accords are wrong and also bucky is innocent and did not set off the bomb' in ANY way comparable #to team im advocating for a document spearheaded and written by thaduess ross that restricts basic civil rights and interns ppl and is like #textbook fascist???? pls tell me how. idgaf if ppl 'meant well' with it in universe who fucking presented it to them??? ross?? you trust #fucking ROSS??????? YOU THINK HE HAD GOOD INTENTIONS?? YIU THINK TINY WAS DOING ANYTHING BUT SHIFT BLAME AND GUILT OFF HIMSELF??? #im so tired #cw facism #steve rogers #captain america civil war #cacw #cacw discourse #team cap #anti tony stark #anti ironman #anti sokovia accords #sokovia