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racefortheironthrone · 4 months

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How was Iron Man thought of by comics readers, before the movie? I've heard different takes, from him being despised to being generally popular.

This is one of those that really changes depending on the era you're talking about. It is true that, overall, Iron Man was not a particularly well-loved or important character before the movie.

Indeed, I would argue he was kind of the bottom of the C-tier. Yes, he was a founding Avenger and he had some solo stories people liked, but he also fucked off out of the Avengers after #16 (because of a weird Stan Lee idea), and wound up leading the West Coast Avengers who were sort of an in-universe joke, very much the also-rans to the Avengers (who weren't particularly that big either). There was likewise a running gag about villains finding it embarassing to lose a fight to "Old Shellhead."

But he wasn't despised, just kind of inessential and overshadowed by more prominent heroes. This would change in 2002 with the creation of the Ultimates and the Ultimate Universe.

Now, I fucking hate Mark Millar's work, but credit where credit is due: he made Tony Stark a main character when he had not been one before, and the movie would not have happened without his inspiration (although I'd argue there was a lot of sifting the pure from the dross on that one).

One of the ironies of the MCU, though, is that it got its liftoff from Iron Man just at the point where the comics had reached Peak Tony and fans really turned against him during Civil War. Mark Millar might have thought that the Pro-Registration side was self-evidently in the right, but no one agreed with him - especially once he started building interdimensional black site prisons for superheroes, recruiting supervillains to work for the government, and creating a murderous Thor clone. Not only did the fans hate him, but pretty much all of his old friends now considered him a traitor - and Marvel pretty much had to kill Tony and replace him with a pre-fash AI backup, then have Tony be the leader of the "good" side in Civil War II, to deal with the backlash.

(Incidentally, I would argue that Hickman's Avengers run did a way better job with Millar's concept than Millar ever could.)

This is why Captain America: Civil War ended up being a second take for the concept, where both sides were depicted as more reasonable in their motivations and actions than in the comics that inspired the movie, and then Infinity War and Endgame recontextualized Tony as a tragic character who ultimately managed to redeem himself with a heroic sacrifice. (Although since then, they really have gone too far with his canonization.)

#marvel #marvel meta #mcu #mcu meta #iron man #tony stark

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staying-elive · 9 months

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So, I was thinking

I'm still annoyed by the shoddy and way too rushed use of Skrulls in Sectret Invasion. I'm not alone in thinking this should've been enacted over an entire Phase, not a six episode show with no big main characters.

A post Blip MCU could've been an ideal landscape for this story. They could've started planting seeds throughout.

Imagine if at the end of TFATWS, when Sharon is shot and bleeding, she's hiding her wound and refuses Bucky taking her to the hospital. Why? Because we, the audience, get to see that she's bleeding purple. 😯 Weird.

Then the show wraps as planned (i.e. it doesn't get derailed by this question) and then in Sharon's post credit, there's the reveal! She's a Skrull! (Takes care of people not liking her villain turn) She's not the Power Broker (fix that), but the Power Broker could also be a Skrull. Madripoor could be a pretty good base of operations for a group of insurgents. Unregulated, shady ties, lots of shady people, etc.)

I'm not 100% sure how this would affect the Flagsmasher/serum plot, but I'm sure there's a way to tweak this too, since Sharon's reason was flimsy,l. Maybe recreating the super soldier serum was a first attempt to create Super Skrulls, but turns out it's only compatible with human physiology, blah blah something. (Maybe while we're at it, tweak some more so that you don't have a case of displaced young people becoming terrorists. I'm sure a good writer could tie these together somehow.)

Anyone, my point is, Phase 4 could've started laying the foundation of Skrulls with hints that we the audience see. Then slowly, the characters discover things are amiss. This would allow for Earth bound stories in Phase 4, and establish new characters as a potential new Avengers line-up.

You could still introduce new characters, Shang Chi and Ms. Marvel, for instance. But these characters would need a major crossover cameo, like how Sam Wilson appeared in Ant Man, which allowed Sam to recruit Scott into CA:Civil War.

If an Avenger, say Sam again or Rhodey or Doctor Strange (or keep Wong appear at the end of Shang Chi!) or NICK FURY, know of these new characters, THEN when the Skrull situation begins seeming more serious and wide spread, our heroes can reach out to these newbies, knowing that they need more help, reinforcements, and knowing that it's unlikely that these unknowns will have been Skrulled.

Everything feels more integrated, connected in an organic way; there's something for an audience to get hyped about and theorise about between films; it allows for smaller films coming off of Endgame's high, giving space to breathe and rebuild; and importantly, the Phase would culminate with Avengers: Secret Invasion. Every phase needs an Avengers team up, and by this point, you could have established the team, form new bonds, and establish the threat with a real sense of paranoia, suspicion and competency.

The downside to this plan is you'd lose the multiverse, or just push it to Phase 5. Personally, I haven't liked any of these films enough to care about losing them, but I know each have their fans. Regardless, I think Phase 4 was absolutely the wrong Phase to introduce such a narratively messy idea to rebuild the MCU around.

These are just my thoughts, though. Curious to know anyone else's!

#mcu phase 4 #mcu phase 5 #secret invasion #tfatws #sam wilson #rhodey #sharon carter #ms marvel #shang chi #captain america #nick fury #mcu critical #staying-elive

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karlmarxmaybe · 10 months

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The new Marvel show Secret Invasion used AI to make the intro I need you all to be FUCKING ANGRY at this

"Like many people, Selim says he doesn’t “really understand” how the artificial intelligence works, but was fascinated with the ways in which the AI could translate the sense of foreboding he wanted for the series. “We would talk to them about ideas and themes and words, and then the computer would go off and do something. And then we could change it a little bit by using words, and it would change.”"

These idiots

"Method Studios did not respond to Polygon’s request for comment about how exactly it designed the sequence (the staff for the credits includes producers, designers, and an AI technician)."

The intro doesn't look like pure garbage which means some of these artists have been tweaking and fixing it and they sure as fuck won't be properly compensated for it, with the excuse of "AI made it, not you". This is the next step in Marvel and Disney's inhuman exploitation of visual artists.

"In the case of Secret Invasion, Selim says he was excited by what Method Studios brought to the show: “It felt explorative and inevitable, and exciting, and different.”"

Inevitable.

[ID: the "and I am Iron Man" meme from Avengers: Endgame. Thanos has a label on his head that says "AI" and his subtitles read "I am inevitable." Iron Man has a label on his head that says "SFX ARTISTS" and his subtitles read "And I... am... unionizing." /End ID]

Support the writers' strike. It's the picket line of the fight against AI bullshit right now. And FUCK MARVEL AND DISNEY

#fuck ai art #anti ai art #fuck ai #sfx artists #workers' rights #wga strike #disney #mcu #capitalism

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imdonnalynn · 7 months

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RANDOM PLOT IDEA

Plot: What if it was Steve and Natasha that went to Vormir to retrieve the Soul Stone? How would that have turned out? Would Steve had taken her place? Or would Natasha have been able to outwit him?

A/N: I'm not the biggest fan of Endgame due to a lot of the character developments and ending arcs to a lot of characters. Especially for Steve, it was the worst possible ending for his character ever, it ruined it for me pretty much.

Fandom: Marvel, Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), Avengers: Endgame

Pairing: Natasha "Black Widow" Romanoff, Steve "Captain America" Rogers

Warnings: None

I reserve the right to attempt a plot idea of my own and anyone else is welcome to try as well. Long as they give credit where they at least got part of the idea.

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valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn · 1 year

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They just don't get it, do they...

Joe: "I think that the type of story that unfolded in the phases that we worked on [was] a very specific kind of story that wrapped itself up in those phases and now it’s time for a new story, and I think that’s the direction that Marvel’s headed in. They’re telling you a very different story, a very new story and I think the audience just needs to be patient with the redirection because you can’t keep telling the same story over and over or you lose the audience."

I don't want to be patient. I want to be hooked up now, right now. I don't want to be told to wait 4 or 5 years so that all the stuff being released now will make sense. I want to care about this now because it's the only way I'm going to stick around for the next 4 or 5 years.

I didn't need Thanos in every single movie in Phases 2 and 3 to care about the movies, I watched them for the simple reason that I cared about those characters, the movies were focused on them and their independent stories (for the most part, at least) and those films were helping expand the world-building and the universe while only focusing on Thanos in the post-credit scenes or through one or two lines during the movie. Marvel made me care about them.

Now, everything is Kang. Everything is the multiverse. We keep getting movies and series where the title characters are sidelined in order to introduce new, younger characters who have no complexity whatsoever and are only shown so that certain fans can have their cameos or to hype up a Young Avengers movie that won't be coming any time soon. The old characters are either laughed at, mocked, have their personalities completely retconned or the characters that made their previous movies interesting are scrapped completely (looking at you, Quantumania).

That's not mentioning reading interview after interview with scriptwriters who openly admit they never watched the previous movies/series their characters have been in because apparently professionalism is not "cool" these days.

If they're losing the audience and Quantunmania flopped epically is because they're taking us for granted, and the sheer reality of it all is that the audience is far more intelligent than we're led to believe.

So, nope. Patience is not gonna do it. Either they start accepting criticism and realize the way they're doing things now is not working or Quantumania is not going to be the last movie to not even earn enough to be profitable.

#mcu critical #mcu salt #I don't know what came into me... but I read that and I got mad for some reason #it's slightly annoying isn't it? oh just be patient and keep giving them money #well... how about no? how about they put in the effort in order to deserve that money?#or are we supposed to consume blindly? hell no

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somuchcoffeeandwine · 6 months

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All right, fellow MCU fans

So, after seeing the Marvels today, it got me thinking. Now, you probably don't know who I am. But I do happen to be a writer. Not a very good one mind you (several people would say otherwise, but shush, give me my self-loathing) Phase 4 (and the current parts of 5) is not that great. So I want to rewrite the Multiverse Saga. Yes. The entire thing. Even though it's not finished.

Very long blocks of text below. It's really the only thing that keeps me organized. Please read it though if you are interested. It'll be split up into sections, for somewhat easy perusal.

Now, I know this is an ambitious project, and one not done. I am no stranger to things like this, see my own game/show I'm making. (This is the only time I'm going to mention it. But I am pretty proud of it) So, for my very small amount of sanity, I'm stopping it at The Marvels, and Loki season 2 (Oops, still not finished with it yet). And I wanted to ask people what they thought was lackluster, or mediocre. Not the Marvel I and many other people grew up on. I do understand that it was flawed before, but when I recently rewatched most of them, I found that my childhood love for them had blossomed into something new. I was 6 when the first Avengers came out. I learned how to shoot a bow because of Hawkeye in that movie. And I think it deserves better, especially after watching the Marvels.

Now, this means everything after Endgame. So from Black Widow to The Marvels in terms of the movies, and the Disney+ series from Wandavision to Loki Season 2. I have a feeling it's going to take me a second to get through the remaining 5 episodes of Loki S2. My family wants to watch it with me, and they're all decently busy... Anyways, that's 10 movies, and 9 series. Although I don't accept Secret Invasion. Like at all. Anyways.

I have yet to decide what I'm going to publish this on. Probably A03, just because that's easiest for me. And I can organize much easier. Do let me know what you think.

So, before I get into the problems I've identified, feel free to stop here, and reblog or ask me your problems with the aforementioned shows and movies. I'm talking writing or character problems, as we've seen in the series. I am a fan of the comics, but you can divert from that, or stick to them.

Oh, and if you say something like "Make it more queer", I am a raging bisexual enby. I will already be making it queer as fuck, and can be convinced to ship pretty much anyone, if I can get a good reasoning behind it. Minors should be shipped with only minors. That's one of my few rules, if you send anything to me. So yeah, I'm doing genderfluid Loki.

Thoughts on everything:

This is just here so that I don't get a ton of repeats. I'll go movies first, then the TV shows.

Black Widow (2021) - Honestly, this is too late of a movie. Natasha deserved this before Endgame or Infinity War came out. But release dates aside, Taskmaster needs more screentime, and a chance to show how menacing they are. Natasha also needs more time with her family, and the parents need to be fleshed out a bit more. Belova is far too smart to be tricked by the lady in the post-credit scene.

Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings (2021) - I don't have any major problems with this movie. The Great Protector, or the dragon, and the supernatural creature, I think he's called Dweller In Darkness, kinda felt a little blank, and the Dweller shouldn't have died, only been pushed back. And I don't like Katy that much. Trevor is much better comedic relief in my opinion.

Eternals (2021) - Oh boy, where do we start with this one? You know it's bad if I can't remember any of the main characters names besides Ikarus. And that's because I was laughing my ass off at him throwing himself into the sun. There was also the Celestial I think it was? Anyways that thing broke islands up, and then just became a massive statue, and like no one mentions it? I don't remember much else about this movie, even after having watched it like 3 times. Oh, and the Ebony Blade was shown off. I like that if they can do something fun with that.

Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) - Dr. Strange feels a little shoe-horned in. The whole sanctum being overtaken by snow was pretty clever, but Strange being a father figure to Peter is not super well established. Could be fixed with a couple of rewrites. Or Strange and Stark being together. Peter is a dumbass, and the reason for him starting the whole plot... is so dumb. I understand, teenagers can be stupid, hell, I go to public high school, but Peter's shown he's a lot smarter than this. But I do like the crossover (Dafoe as Green Goblin my beloved) and the fact that the other Spidermen get to say goodbye in one last movie. Anyways, Ned's wizard connections need to be elaborated on as well.

Doctor Strange: Multiverse Of Madness (2022) - Alright, getting my biggest problem out of the way first. Wanda's corruption arc should have been shown. It should have been developed through the movie, and Wanda should have been with Strange and America. She can still be evil, and die after she realizes her actions, but this basically destroys the point of Wandavision. She was willing to say goodbye. Wanda has been a favorite of mine for years, and I read her comics religiously as a child. We need to see the power of the Scarlet Witch. What it did without Wanda. Her "No More Mutants" line sent chills down my spine the first time I read it. Sam Raimi directed this movie. Strange and Wanda should have had more horrific shit. And that one Strange with 3 eyes should have been the one from What If. We need horror in this. America also needs to be more fleshed out. I do love her, but we get like one scene of her being traumatized of basically growing up nowhere. Her moms get to stay though. I'm just going to ignore the last post-credit scene, because... that's setting something up I'm not sure of.

Thor: Love & Thunder (2022) - First up, Gorr has a great setup. He needed more screentime though. We need to see more of his god killing. They should rightfully be shitting their pants over this man. Thor leaving to save Sif was a good move, but that joke ruined the tension. She should have died there, proof of the god killer. Jane Foster is perfectly fine, and her arc is a lovely send-off. I would have loved some more stuff about the kids, especially Heimdall's. I don't even remember his name. He should have been shown doing something in Jane's return to Asgard, something that showed off his parentage. The meeting of the gods is a great scene, but there should have been people who spoke up, and then promptly getting thrown out, or even getting killed. Even more of a reason for Thor and crew to convince him. I think everything else is pretty good. Also Valkyrie is perfect in this movie. Bi queen. And her Loki knives are lovely.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) - I actually think this one just needs a couple of little tweaks. I understand why they couldn't have T'Challa show up in the spirit world, and Killmonger was great, but I still think something between the siblings would be good. Fuck, I love the funeral scene. It was a lovely sendoff to both T'Challa, and Chadwick. Namor seems a little rash though. Might just be the comics leaking through on that matter but I do like the Mayan inspirations in the movie!

Antman: Quantumania (2023) - I'm not really sure on this movie. I don't like Janet in this movie. She feels too secretive. She could have told them plenty, even lied that Kang had gone home. He'd gotten out somehow. Kang didn't seem scared enough of the others, but that might just be me thinking of that. Oh, and MODOK sucked. He shouldn't be a joke. But Darren could have done something else, because he is in there.

Guardians of The Galaxy V.3 (2023) - Perfection in every way. I'm not changing anything unless it involves getting everything I'm incorporating in. And the Christmas Special is also great.

The Marvels (2023) - Spoilers! Kamala needed more screentime, she just generally felt disconnected from the plot besides her bangle. And I also wanted a more menacing villain. That's been the problem with them recently. They don't make me think that they could actually beat them. I like everything else though. Flerkins were great as usual. I love these stupid creatures so much. That one scene was beautiful.

Now to the shows! These are going to be so much shorter.

Wandavision (2021) - I think this is good. No notes.

Loki S1 (2021) - Good, besides the Sylvie/Loki romance. They are siblings. I'm not sure if there's anything else that I really had a problem with. It's been a moment. Which is a shame. I love Loki (Also bi confirmation! I love it!)

The Falcon & Winter Soldier (2021) - I also think this is good, besides maybe having some problems with the villain. Bromance all the way.

What If...? (2021) - Also pretty good. Little self-contained story. I like the zombies.

Hawkeye (2021) - I also think this one's pretty well written. Macaroni is constantly referenced in my house. Lucky is also a pretty boy.

Moonknight (2022) - Honestly, god tier. Anyways, no one mentioned the stars literally turning in Egypt. But maybe it was just the people thinking that they were drunk as shit and seeing something.

Ms. Marvel (2022) - Second favorite being Moonknight. I also don't remember anything glaringly wrong.

She-Hulk: Attorney At Law (2022) - Besides the tone of the show being inconsistent as shit, I think this show should have dove into some of the topics it brought up more. It just seemed a little surface level. Maybe a WWDITS style mockumentary would work better.

Secret Invasion (2023) - THIS ENTIRE SHOW SUCKS ASS. THIS WHOLE THING WAS DONE SO BADLY. I am not taking anything from this show

Loki S2 (2023) - Too distracted by another season 2 coming out, so I have yet to finish. I have heard it's good though. I've seen the first episode, and it's going pretty good so far.

Well, you made it to the bottom! Yay!

...This took me an hour to write. I did get the doc set up. And got a bit of an outline set up.

#marvel #loki #wandavision #secret invasion #she hulk #hawkeye #ms marvel #moon knight #falcon and the winter soldier #the marvels #marvel mcu #mcu #writing #writeblr #long post

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callmebrycelee · 1 year

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MY MAN CRUSH MONDAY IS...WINSTON DUKE

Winston Duke is a Tobagonian actor best known for portraying M’Baku in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Winston was born November 15, 1986 in Argyle, Saint Paul, Tobago, Trinidad and Tobago. He is 35 years old and a Scorpio. Winston’s television credits include Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Person of Interest, The Messengers, Major Crimes, and Modern Family. He has had roles in the films Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, Us, Avengers: Endgame, Nine Days, Spenser Confidential, and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Winston is 6 feet and 5 inches tall.

#mcm #man crush #man crush monday #man crush mondays #winston duke #black excellence #black is beautiful #mbaku #black panther #marvel cinematic universe #avengers endgame #avengers infinity war #jordan peele us #wakanda forever #modern family #law and order svu

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the-martyrfication-of-the-matron · 5 months

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Okay so my general mru timetravel saga phase thing. + how I’m doing the YA.

Since I think focusing on timetravel instead of the multiverse would have been a better next saga since timetravel was set up formerly.

Also, champions and Runaways will likely feature but I need to defamiliarise myself with the comics to feel more comfortable deciding on HOW. But I’ll get to it, just not in this post.

(Ramble below the cut)

First Phase:

I would make the first phase AFTER endgame extremely chill. More grounded, focus on a smaller group of heroes and the affects of the snap. TFATWS would be my preferred first project but obviously could change when I go to write it. Maybe seven projects in all? Keep it small. Six main solo projects, an avengers team up. I want to make it clear that things aren’t running as smoothly as they could be post-Thanos, there’s a lot of tension, the team isn’t quite… teaming.

Steve shows up as cameos in TFATWS and the avengers teamup, but not to take away from the focus of Sam being the new Cap. He’s more of an… advisor. He has experience, but that’s all he’s got to offer. He’s done with the fight. I don’t think he should’ve died in endgame personally bc I think people need a main avengers to continue showing up to really keep their investment until another character proves worthy enough for focus.

Eli is the first Young Avenger to be included, which would make a whole ‘oooo Young avengers maybe??’ But he’s played off like a cameo that’s there because Isaiah is there, no need to rush into the YA.

Kamala is also showing up. Ms Marvel wouldn’t be a MAIN solo project and would be kind of hinted to be disconnected until Carol shows up in the last episode.

There will also probably be a Hawkeye series but I don’t want any of the YA to be heroes before the YA. So Kate will likely cameo but I don’t want her to be a Hawkeye yet. That’s YA stuff. It can wait.

Second Phase:

A little more funky now. The Marvels is a good guide to take for the balance of funky and grounded. Sure it’s in space but it’s a pretty typical movie, nothing too big. Of course, the marvels = Teddy introduction. I’ve not watched the movie yet (literally on the way there now) so I can’t promise how I’ll introduce him, but it’ll probably be a small ‘cameo type’ thing.

The phase starts on a lighter note but slowly degrades, the avengers are slipping apart. It ends on a Loki s1.

Introduction of Kid Loki also. And I’ll probably do Sylvie differently. But with the demolition of the sacred timeline, there comes chaos in the storyline.

Introduction of the champions might occur here, whilst things are still light and dandy. Depends on what I can swing.

Third Phase:

House of M. Wandavision, obviously, introduces the Twins. They’ll probably remain toddlers though, to keep them little and cute, plus terrible twos + superpowers would make it obvious she’s crazy when she CHOSE that. They’re the two YA introduced this phase, no America until the multiverse unfortunately.

The avengers are slowly falling apart even further, Loki s2, and then, bosh, kangs. Not THE Kang, though. Other kangs. Fighting aaa. Some avengers probably die, Scott definitely does. They win and have to fight THE Kang, don’t win, Kang escapes.

Idk how to explain my idea for that film considering I haven’t properly planned it. But, basic idea is that he WILL come back.

Phase four:

No avengers. They fell apart, like they did for infinity war. If things like this keep happening, there’s no point anymore. Womp womp everything sucks. Some people, like Sam, are trying to keep everyone together but it’s so… hard. They wonder if they’re really just making things worse. They probably are.

Yeah there are solo projects. But it’s mostly pretty dismal. They’re trying to prepare to fight kang but they know they’ll lose. In the final solo project, there’s an end credit scene. Someone in a suit appears in dark streets and picks up a loose newspaper. ‘The avengers disbanded’. In a robotic-ish voice: oh no.

And then, final avengers movie of the saga. Except… it opens up to kids being assholes and oh wait this is just an adaptation of the first Young Avengers comic with some more emphasis on the avengers. Why have a huge crossover movie when teenagers can stab people? This isn’t to say there won’t be any closure for other storylines, I just don’t think every storyline needs to end in an AVENGERS storyline. The big crossover movie will probably be phase 3’s big Kang gang up movie, with everyone fighting their own time travelling war lord. But Kang’s death belongs to Nate. So that’s how it’ll be. Other superhero team ups will probably happen. But the big bad will be slain by those who now carry the avengers torch. It’s to me the only way to actually get people interested in the Young Avengers.

Some post saga notes:

There are some things that will be included. Like fantastic four and Xmen. It’s just a little difficult to try and explain how they fit it without going into masses of detail.

The next saga will likely be multiverse based. The Young Avengers are pretty well prepped for that kind of storyline. I’ll likely reallocate TLAT to this saga. Multiverse works better for god-based movies than time travel. It’ll probably include Children’s Crusade and YA vol2 for some of the avengers movies.

#marvel #mcu #marvel cinematic universe #mru #marvel rewrite universe #young avengers

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papersniffer · 1 year

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I must admit that I get very emotional when a franchise reaches an endpoint and does something special for the main actors. Star Trek’s The Undiscovered Country was the last movie with all the TOS crew, and after the final scene, they had them sign their names across a screen of stars. Well, fast-forward to watching many Marvel movies and getting to the credits of Endgame. They started slowly with generic shots of the additional characters who have become Avengers, and then they hit hard. Silhouettes of each of the six original Avengers appeared in the middle of the screen with the actor signing their names in silver. So yeah, I might have cried A LOT more than I thought possible lol. Every time I watched Endgames and saw the signatures, I would think about making gifs. I had already done something similar for the Star Trek signatures ( https://papersniffer.tumblr.com/post/693392030372708352/second-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till ). Tonight, I finally got around to taking those Endgame moments and turning them into gifs. Giphy wouldn’t allow them without modifications, so I added some bordering. Hope you enjoy them as much as I do. :)

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racefortheironthrone · 6 months

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Totally agree with everything.

You might have already said this or someone else about The DPS should be an Endgame event (which I agree with). I think Jean should become the Phoenix in movie 5 so you already have that investment of that Scott/Jean relationship and how the power of the phoenix affects it. Then do DOFP in movie 6 or 7. Introduce the Sentinels at the end of move 1 or 2 (Ahab, Trask, Shaw ect) for an better throughline into DOFP. Maybe Kitty and the white queen in movie 2 or 3 (for the hellfire plot in the DPS). Or it could be the first movie with Charlie and Emma fighting (not physical) of Kitty.

With DOFP, you can do Rachel in an Kitty flashback (a way to introduce Franklin Richards as well since Marvel is doling the FF). Or, this is my controversial part, do DOFP in two movies w/6 all in Earth-811 and 7/in Earth 616. Have Rachel as an Hound as Ahab’s favorite only at to befriend Kitty (as Kate) and place Kitty in the past at the end. That might be too dark for Marvel and Disney, but DOFP is dark, and I feel like it has to feel like an real timeline (hence its only Earth-881 b/c of Kitty's intervention) not just an plot point (I understand the sensitivity of what I’m taking about and I no way asking to be grim dark).

Then the next time we see Rachel is ringing the doorbell in end credit scene at the end of movie 10 (or something).

Change anything you like. Disagree. Just have fun. Thank you for reading.

BTW, looked up Rhea Ripley, hell yeah, she should be Rachel.

I agree about DPS being an Endgame-like event, because as I've said before, it's properly understood as the second half of a diptych with the Phoenix Saga. So if DPS is movie #5, that's fine - as long as the Phoenix Saga is movie #4. The key thing is that audiences have to experience Jean Grey as an unambiguous hero in the first film before they see her become a villain in the second film.

Likewise, it's important that audiences experience the Phoenix itself as a positive force in the first film so they don't get the wrong idea about what it is - looking at you, Avengers vs. X-Men and Jason Aaron more generally. The Phoenix is not evil or destructive by nature, nor is it destined to go out of control (see Rachel Summers) - it is Tiferet (or as Claremont spells it, Tiphareth), the synthesis of compassion and judgement. It only goes out of control when the psychic blocks that Jean, not Xavier, created to keep the power of the Phoenix within limits that a mortal could control are dismantled by Jason Wyndgarde as part of the Hellfire Club's machinations.

As for DOFP, I think you have to have present-616 and future-811 in the same movie, both for structure reasons (there are careful parallelisms between what's happening in one timeline and the next) and because otherwise 811 is too unrelentingly bleak: it's important to soften the blow of seeing the X-Men killed by Sentinels by showing them succeed in thwarting the Brotherhood. As for Rachel, I think you show her as an X-hound using her chrono-skimming to send Kitty back at the beginning of the movie, and then show her in the post-credits transporting between dimensions as a hope spot to counter-balance the downbeat of Senator Kelly getting the Sentinel program restarted.

I would leave the Hound stuff for traumatic flashbacks in the next film, so that DOFP is really Kitty's story and the next movie is Rachel's story.

#xmen #xmen meta #dark phoenix saga #phoenix saga #days of future past #jean grey #rachel summers #mcu

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avengers infinity war + endgame did bucky so dirty in the costuming department and i still get annoyed to this day

none of his clothes (farmer/funeral/howlie homage fits) fit him properly and its like they were trying to make his silhouette terrible wrt the cut of everything and the fact that there were DOZENS of better concept arts all thrown away... not even mad that they ended up choosing a Howling Commando homage as his combat outfit but why did it fit so terribly? not that we even see the costume much cuz buck was effectively made nonexistent in IW+EG esp during the fights, just gave him a gun and denied any supersoldier team up

the costuming department must've hated him cuz it was such a downgrade to his CW stuff (or even BP, and that was just an end credit) civil war mostly just had simple civilian outfits, but the henley + combat gear were tailored perfectly, even the gun Bucky had in civil war was actually cool as shit with a gigantic magazine almost like a big ass sniper (which he used in howlies) compared to the flimsy silly thing they gave him in IW+EG, ig Wakanda has less cool guns than the random weapon rack Bucky grabbed in CW

someone at Marvel is dedicated to making Bucky look less and less cool not just with his worse and worse costuming but also in fights, already forgetting he's a roided out supersoldier and not including him as a fighting partner for Steve like they used to be in the HC's, but even the guns they give Bucky get less and less cool and less flashy, the oomph Buck used to have in screen keeps getting watered down, costuming + props dept keeps doing him dirty 😶

It's 👏🏻 about 👏🏻 the 👏🏻 homophobia 👏🏻

Oh, you like this character? You like how he and his canon fucking soul mate best friend interact? Oh, well, not only are we going to distance the character from each other, so you won't have anything to glean about their relationship, but we're also going to downgrade this character to make him less desirable, too.

The homophobia and the money hungry greed, uncaring of the characters they've built because they know people will come and come and come again, so long as they keep making the films.

#anti marvel #asks #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky

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